New Zealand’s Starlink Leap, Space Mining’s Legal Frontier, and the Moon’s Ancient Secrets: S03E236
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New Zealand’s Starlink Leap, Space Mining’s Legal Frontier, and the Moon’s Ancient Secrets: S03E236

Astronomy Daily - The Podcast: S03E236

Welcome to Astronomy Daily, your trusted source for the latest in space and astronomy news. I'm your host, Anna, and today we have a captivating lineup of stories that span from technological breakthroughs on Earth to ancient cosmic mysteries.

Highlights:

- New Zealand's Starlink Milestone: Discover how New Zealand is making history as the first country to offer nationwide direct-to-smartphone messaging through SpaceX's Starlink satellite network, revolutionizing connectivity for remote areas.

- The Legal Landscape of Space Mining : Delve into the evolving legal framework surrounding space mining, as NASA's Psyche mission highlights the potential of asteroid resources and international agreements shape the future of space resource extraction.

- SpaceX's Starship Advances: Get the latest updates on SpaceX's Starship program, as the FAA approves its seventh flight with innovative modifications, paving the way for future suborbital missions and orbital ambitions.

- Dormant Black Hole Discovery: Explore the intriguing discovery of a dormant supermassive black hole in the early universe, challenging our understanding of cosmic evolution and the growth of these colossal entities.

- Revisiting the Moon's Age: Uncover new research suggesting our Moon might be over 100 million years older than previously thought, offering fresh insights into its formation and early history.

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Thank you for tuning in. This is Anna signing off. Until next time, keep looking up and stay curious about the wonders of our universe.

00:00 - Astronomy Daily brings you the latest fascinating developments in space and astronomy

00:51 - New Zealand becomes first country to offer nationwide direct to smartphone messaging through SpaceX

03:03 - Legal framework governing space mining is becoming increasingly important

05:34 - The FAA has approved SpaceX's seventh flight of their starship vehicle

07:35 - Astronomers using the James Webb Space Telescope have spotted an unusual sleeping giant

09:44 - New research suggests our lunar neighbor could be 100 million years older than previously estimated

11:38 - Anna: Thank you for listening to Astronomy Daily podcast

✍️ Episode References

SpaceX

[https://www.spacex.com](https://www.spacex.com)

Starlink

[https://www.starlink.com](https://www.starlink.com)

One NZ

[https://www.one.nz](https://www.one.nz)

T-Mobile

[https://www.t-mobile.com](https://www.t-mobile.com)

KDDI

[https://www.kddi.com](https://www.kddi.com)

Rogers

[https://www.rogers.com](https://www.rogers.com)

NASA

[https://www.nasa.gov](https://www.nasa.gov)

James Webb Space Telescope

[https://www.jwst.nasa.gov](https://www.jwst.nasa.gov)

Artemis Accords

[https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis-accords/index.html](https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis-accords/index.html)

Outer Space Treaty

[https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties/outerspacetreaty.html](https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties/outerspacetreaty.html)

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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 welcome to astronomy daily I'm Anna

00:00:02 --> 00:00:04 bringing you the latest fascinating

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00:00:14 --> 00:00:16 neighborhood we'll explore how New

00:00:16 --> 00:00:18 Zealand is making history with starlink

00:00:18 --> 00:00:20 direct to smartphone service dive into

00:00:20 --> 00:00:22 the complex legal framework emerging

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00:00:25 --> 00:00:27 updates on spacex's Starship program

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00:00:29 --> 00:00:31 Universe to examine a mysterious dormant

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00:00:50 --> 00:00:53 space in a groundbreaking development

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00:03:51 --> 00:03:54 Artemis Accords established in 2020 have

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00:10:04 --> 00:10:06 traditional age estimates based on

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00:10:08 --> 00:10:12 Moon being around 4.35 billion years old

00:10:12 --> 00:10:14 however several pieces of evidence have

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00:10:17 --> 00:10:19 lunar Zircon minerals suggest a birth

00:10:19 --> 00:10:22 date closer to 4.5 billion years ago and

00:10:23 --> 00:10:24 computer simulations of planetary

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00:10:34 --> 00:10:36 the key to this age discrepancy might

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00:10:38 --> 00:10:40 scientists now believe the moon

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00:10:47 --> 00:10:49 in its surface rocks the culprit the

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00:10:59 --> 00:11:02 forces than it does today these forces

00:11:02 --> 00:11:04 would have caused widespread upheaval

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00:11:12 --> 00:11:15 early impact basins than expected they

00:11:15 --> 00:11:16 were simply erased by This Global

00:11:16 --> 00:11:19 remelting event computer models now

00:11:19 --> 00:11:21 suggest the moon actually formed around

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00:11:29 --> 00:11:31 reconcile competing theories from

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00:11:33 --> 00:11:35 provides a more complete picture of our

00:11:35 --> 00:11:37 Moon's dramatic early

00:11:37 --> 00:11:40 history and that brings us to the end of

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