S26E106: The Violent Accretion Disk of a Supermassive Black Hole // The Monster Centaurus A // Indian Lunar Rover
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S26E106: The Violent Accretion Disk of a Supermassive Black Hole // The Monster Centaurus A // Indian Lunar Rover

The Space News Podcast. SpaceTime Series 26 Episode 106 *The violent accretion disk of a supermassive black hole Astronomers have for the first time ever, captured spectra from the tumultuous accretion disk of an actively feeding super massive black hole. *Studying the monster Centaurus A Astronomers have combined two major Australian radio telescopes and several optical telescopes to study complex mechanisms that are fuelling jets of material blasting away from a supermassive black hole 55 million times more massive than the Sun. *Indian lunar rover confirms sulphur on Moon's south pole India's Pragyan or Wisdom lunar rover has confirmed the presence of sulphur at the Moon’s south pole. *The Science Report Discovery of cancer drug that could target HIV silent cells. A new test which could help predict who will get dementia in the next 14 years. The latest search for the elusive Loch Ness Monster. Skeptics guide to dumbing down India This week’s guest: Ben McKinley from the Curtin University node of the International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research Dr Martin Van Kranendonk from the University of New South Wales Dr Mitch Schulte NASA Program scientists Mars Exploration program Dr Lindsay Hays NASA Deputy program scientist Mars Sample Return Mission Eric Ianson NASA Director of the Mars Exploration Program NASA Harness transfer engineer Lee Huber from the Goddard Space Flight Centre NASA Electrical Engineer Alex Petrov from the Goddard Space Flight Centre And our regular guests: Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics Alex Zaharov-Reutt from www.techadvice.life Listen to SpaceTime on your favorite podcast app with our universal listen link: https://spacetimewithstuartgary.com/listen and access show links via https://linktr.ee/biteszHQ

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This is Space Time series 26 episode, 100 and six for

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broadcast on the fourth of September 2023. Coming up on

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Spacetime, the violent accretion disc of a super massive black

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hole studying the nearby monster Centaurus A and India's Lunar

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Rover confirms the existence of sulfur at the Moon's South Pole.

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All that and more coming up on Space Time.

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Welcome to Space Time with Stuart Garry.

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Astronomers have for the first time ever captured the turbulent

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violence of an accretion disk in an actively feeding supermassive

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black hole. The findings reported in the Astrophysical

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journal letters provide scientists with their first

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direct observations of this hard to see region inside one of the

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biggest monsters in the universe.

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Supermassive black holes are the most powerful objects in the

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universe. There are intense gravity wells, regions of

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infinite density in zero volume where the gravitational pull is

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so strong that nothing, not even light can escape clouds of gas

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planets and even stars venturing too close to a black hole will

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be torn apart by the monster's intense gravity.

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There remains swirling around the black hole in an accretion

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disk like water swirling around the drain in a sink material in

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the accretion disk is constantly being crushed, stretched and

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ripped apart in the process, releasing vast amounts of energy

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at billions of degrees.

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The subatomic debris then passes beyond a point of no return

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called the event horizon. Once inside the event horizon, escape

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velocity becomes greater than the speed of light.

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And since nothing can travel faster than the speed of light,

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nothing not even light can escape a black hole. Hence, the

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name here matter is beatified as it falls forever towards the

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singularity, a place where the laws of physics as science

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understands them breaks down, but not all the material in the

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accretion disk is doomed to disappear into the black hole.

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Some of the superheated material is deflected along powerful

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magnetic field lines away from the event horizon and out

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towards the black hole spin axis which accelerates perpendicular

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out from the accretion disk into space.

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Here, the material is accelerated to relativistic

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speeds and focused into intense superluminal jets called

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quasars. These are the brightest objects in the known universe.

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They shine out like beacons in the darkness and can be visible

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over 13 billion light years away. Studying these accretion

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disks can therefore enhances science's understanding, not

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just of black holes but of the evolution of their host

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Galaxies.

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And maybe the universe itself. The problem is most accretion

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discs are actually quite difficult to study directly.

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That's because they're actually a long way away and really

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small.

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But scientists using the Gemini North telescope have now made

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the first detection of two near infrared emission lines coming

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from the accretion disc of a galaxy three ZW 02 in the

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process, placing new limits on the size of these magnificent

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structures. Emission lines are caused when an atom in an

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excited state drops to a lower energy level releasing light in

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the process.

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Now, since every atom has a unique set of energy levels, the

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emitted light has a discrete wavelength and acts like a

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fingerprint, identifying its origin emission lines commonly

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appear in spectra as thin sharp spikes.

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But in the unique environment of the swirling vortex of an

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accretion disk where the excited gas is under the supermassive

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black hole's gravitational influence and where it's moving

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at speeds of thousands of kilometers per second, those

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emission lines are broken into shallower peaks. The part of the

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accretion disk where these lines originate is called the broad

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line region.

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And evidence of an accretion disc can be found in a specific

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pattern of broad emission lines called a double peak profile.

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Now, because the accretion disc is rotating the gas on one side

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of the disc is moving away from the observer or the gas on the

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other side is moving towards the observer.

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And these relative motions act the same way as the Dora affect

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you hear. When a siren goes past changing pitch, the light waves

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moving away from the observer tend to be stretched, it's

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called red shifting. While those traveling towards the observer

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are compressed or blue shifted.

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So the result from all this is a broadened line with two distinct

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peaks, one are returning from each side of the rapidly

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spinning accretion disk. Now, these double peak profiles are a

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rare phenomenon. That's because their currencies limited to

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sources that can be observed or nearly face on.

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But in the few sources where it has been observed, the double

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peak tends to be found in the H alpha and H beta lines. Two

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emission lines for hydrogen atoms that appear in the visible

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wavelength range originating from the inner area of the broad

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line region near the supermassive black hole.

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These lines normally don't provide any evidence about how

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big the accretion disk is. But recent observations, the near

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infrared have revealed an area of the outer broadly region that

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has never been seen before.

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A team of astronomers from Brazil's National Laboratory Of

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Astrophysics have for the first time detected two near infrared

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double peak profiles in the broad line region of the black

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hole in galaxy three ZW 02, the hydrogen line originates in the

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inner area of the broad line region and a neutral oxygen line

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originates in the outskirts of the region, an area that's never

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been observed before.

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These are the first double peak profiles to be found in the near

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infrared and they emerged quite unexpectedly during routine

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observations using the Gemini's near infrared spectrograph. Back

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in 2003 observations of three ZW 002 1St revealed evidence of an

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accretion disk.

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And then a 2012 study found similar results and this meant

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there was a black hole that had been actively feeding. So in

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2021 the Brazilian team set out to supplement these findings

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with fresh observations in the near infrared using Gemini,

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which has the advantage of being able to observe the entire

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infrared spectrum in one go.

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And that's actually quite a big advantage. You see other

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telescopes require the user to switch between multiple filters

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in order to cover the same range that's time consuming. And also

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it introduces uncertainties such as changes in atmospheric

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conditions and the problems of calibration changes between

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observations.

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But because Gemini North is capable of making simultaneous

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observations across multiple bands of light, the team were

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able to capture a single clean, consistently calibrated spectra

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in which multiple double peak profiles were revealed.

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The observations not only confirm the theorized presence

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of an accretion disc but also advance science's understanding

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of this broad line region. It also provides clear evidence of

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the feeding process and the inner structure of an active

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galactic nuclei. By comparing these observations with existing

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disc models.

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The authors have been able to extract parameters that provide

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a clearer picture of three Z 02 super massive black hole as well

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as the broad lion region of its surrounding accretion disk. The

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observations suggest that the hydrogen alkaline exists at a

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radius of 16.77 light days as measured from the supermassive

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black hole.

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And the neutral oxygen line originates at a radius of 18.86

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light days. By comparison, the distant ward of Pluto is just

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5.5 light hours from earth. In other words, the accretion disk

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around this black hole is larger than our solar system.

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In fact, the outer radius of the broad line region is estimated

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to be 52.43 light days. The model also indicates that three

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ZW 00 two's broad line region has an inclination of about 18

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degrees with respect to the earth and the super massive

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black hole at its center.

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Well, it's somewhere between 400 million and 900 million times

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the mass of our Sun. A true monster. This is Space Time

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still to come stabbing the monster galaxy and black hole

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Centaurus A and India's Lunar Rover confirms the presence of

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sulfur on the Lunar South Pole. All that are more still to come

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on Space Time.

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Well, while we're on the subject of black holes, astronomers have

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combined two major Australian radio telescopes and several

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optical telescopes to study complex mechanisms that are

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fueling jets of material blasting out of a supermassive

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black hole some 55 million times more massive than the Sun.

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The research focused on a nearby radio galaxy known as Centaurus

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A which it's somewhere between 11 and 13 million light years

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away. Is the nearest radio galaxy to the earth radio

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Galaxies are those with active galactic nuclei or a GNS,

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meaning their central supermassive black holes are

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busy consuming material releasing vast amounts of energy

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in the process.

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A report in the monthly notices, the Royal Astronomical Society

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shows that as well as detecting the plasma that's fueling the

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large plumes of material.

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The galaxy is famous for the authors also found evidence of a

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galactic wind or high speed stream of particles moving away

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from the galaxy's core, taking energy material with it as it

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impacts the surrounding galactic environment. These new

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observations of Centaurus A will allow astronomers to apply the

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knowledge to hypotheses and simulations of how Galaxies

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evolve.

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One of the study's authors, Ben McKinley from the Curtin

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University node of the International Center For Radio

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Astronomy Research says the galaxy's proximity just down the

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road in astronomical terms, makes Centaurus say a perfect

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cosmic laboratory for studying the physical processes

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responsible for moving material and energy away from the

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galactic core.

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Centaurus A has been a popular target for astronomers in the

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southern hemisphere for decades due to its size, its elegant

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dust lanes and its prominent plumes of material.

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But McKinley says that being so close to earth and so big

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actually makes studying this galaxy a bit of a challenge.

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That's because most of the telescopes capable of resolving

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the details needed for this type of work have fields of view

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which is smaller than the area of the sky that Centaurus takes

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up.

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So to undertake their observations. McKinley and

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colleagues use the Murchison wide field ray radio telescope

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in Outback, Western Australia and the Parkes radio telescope

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in the central west of New South Wales, both of which have large

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fields of view, thereby allowing them to image a large portion of

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the sky and see all of Centaurus 's Ale.

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Once Murchison is a low frequency radio telescope, it

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has superb sensitivity allowing the large scale structure of ST

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Tous A to be imaged in great detail. And the 64 m Parks

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observatory commonly known as the dish can complement these

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observations.

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Additional observations from several optical telescopes were

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also used in this work including the magnificent Magellan

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telescope in Chile, as well as several smaller telescopes such

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as the to observatory in Canberra and the high view

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observatory in Auckland, also known as NGC 51 28 Centaurus A

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is in the constellation Centaurus.

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It was discovered back in 18 26 by Scottish astronomer James

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Dunlop from his home in Parramatta. Nowadays, Parramatta

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is located in the middle of Sydney's sprawling western

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suburbs about 200 years ago. It was a mixture of pristine

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forests and rural pasture lands.

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There's considerable debate in the literature regarding

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Centaurus A's fundamental properties such as its exact

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distance from our solar system, also whether it's a lenticular

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galaxy or an elliptical 11 thing scientists are sure about is

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that it's the most powerful radio source in the region with

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an active galactic nuclei that's been extensively studied.

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The galaxy is also the fifth brightest in the night sky

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making it ideal not just for professional astronomers but

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also amateur astronomers as well. It's best visible from the

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southern hemisphere or from very low northern latitudes by

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comparing radio and optical observations of the galaxy.

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The killing. And colleagues also found evidence that stars

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belonging to Centaurus are extending far further out from

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the galactic core than previously thought. And that's

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led to speculation about whether the winds and jets emanating

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from the galaxy could be physically pushing those stars

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away.

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Centaur so close by. And so with our radio telescopes and the

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optical telescopes as well, we're able to see it in more

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detail than any other radio galaxy in the universe. And so

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by learning about Centaurus, a, we can then assume that similar

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things are happening in radio Galaxies further away.

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And we can put that into our cosmological simulations and try

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and work out basically how the universe has evolved in time

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since the Big Bang. We've used two radio telescopes in

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Australia and three optical telescopes to study the closest

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radio galaxy Centaurus.

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A in new detail, we're looking for relationships between the

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optical and the radio emission and what's happening with the

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interaction between the supermassive black hole and the

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environment around the galaxy Centaurus A is unique in that it

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's the closest radio galaxy by far.

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So we can use very long baseline interferometry to study those

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jets in the best detail of any other supermassive black hole

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outside of our own galaxy. So we know quite a lot about the jets.

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It actually gets harder when you look further out from the jets,

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the jets create these radio loaves that are actually quite

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large on the sky. And that makes it more difficult for some radio

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telescopes to have much smaller small fields of view.

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So the merch and wide field array that we've used and parks

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as well, you're actually able to map the whole radio source and

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really learn what's happening in those radio loads that are

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created by the jet. How are the jets created?

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So there's a super massive black hole in the middle of the galaxy

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and matter spirals into that super massive black hole and

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forms what's called an accretion disk and things become super hot

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and then super fast they enter that disk. And so basically as

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the supermassive black hole eats matter, some of that matter is

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shot out in jets that go either side, sort of perpendicular to

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the galaxy.

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And it's because this matter, mostly electrons traveling close

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to the speed of light. When you get electrons traveling that

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fast, they create radio waves. And so that's why we see these

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bright jets when we look at the galaxy with a radio telescope.

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And these powerful jets are formed and that shoot out these

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are the same sort of things that when we see across the universe

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we call them quasars. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. And

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they've got other names too. Blazers and a GNS. I take it

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that's all the same thing. Just depends on how we see it and

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where it.

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Is, it's basically the same thing. I think quasars are

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normally the classified as the ones that are sort of from the

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early universe really far away. And so they're really compact

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and really, really bright and the name comes from quasi

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stellar object.

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So they sort of look like stars because they're just single

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points, whereas radio Galaxies is sort of the same thing, but

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it's generally the things that are closer and you can start to

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resolve them and see more of the structure. I think blazer is to

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do with the orientation angle of the radio galaxy.

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So there's this sort of grand unified theory of active

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galactic nuclei where people think it's all basically the

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same thing. But depending on the different orientations of the

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radio galaxy, depends on whether you're classified as a blazer or

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a radio galaxy or a quasar.

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And what you guys have been doing is looking at what happens

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when this jet shoots out from the black hole and interacts

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with the surrounding interstellar medium, I guess.

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Yeah, that's right. So as the jet propagates out when it hits

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gas, that's going around the galaxy. So some other studies

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have found these big h one clouds clouds of hydrogen that

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are going around the surrounding the galaxy.

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And as they interact with that, they can create more radio

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emission and X ray emission, the jets can trigger star formation

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as well and they can ionize the surrounding gas. So you end up

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UV radiation from the A causes electrons to be knocked off the

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hydrogen. And we can detect this with the optical telescopes by

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looking for different radio emission lines.

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People are often very surprised when they hear that black holes

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which are these things like giant vacuum cleaners. Some

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people envisage them as being that are just sucking up the

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universe around them. But as well as that, they do generate

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these powerful jets, they're feeding and these jets can push

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material away from the line of fire, I guess you'd call it. And

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in the process that can lead to increased star formation as

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well.

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Yeah, that's right. So we see these bright optical filaments

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that we describe in the paper and we show an image of it. And

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yeah, the bright new stars in those filaments are thought to

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be caused by interactions from the AGN with the surrounding

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gas.

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And they're a lot further out than originally thought too,

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the.

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Stars, this deep optical image that we have shows this shell

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surrounding the galaxy. But yeah, we've seen additional sort

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of cloud of stars that seems to propagate out sort of in line

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with the radio jets, but not quite out, quite a far distance.

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And it's not exactly clear the mechanism that's causing that.

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But due to the alignment with the radio galaxy jets and loads,

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we sort of speculate that it has something to do with, with

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propagation because of the ATM.

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Has proven to be quite a valuable astronomical tool,

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isn't it?

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The wide field array? Yeah, it's really good because of the wide

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field of view. So we lack the spatial resolution of a lot of

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other telescopes. But we can see across a really wide field of

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view.

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If you look up at the sky and imagine 14 full moons across.

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That's how big sur would be if you could see it with your eyes.

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And most telescopes can see a tiny tiny fraction of that at

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any one time. So with the M we are able to see the whole galaxy

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and image image it across a wide range of wavelengths.

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And that's especially important with something like Centaurus A

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because it is so close.

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Yeah, that's right. So part of our paper was also comparing our

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observations with some older observations. One set of

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observations was done with the Australia telescope compact

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array, which is another inner fero which has a narrow field of

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view, but is able to look in sort of more spatial detail and

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then also the very large array in the US.

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And so there was new observations from the very large

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array that disputed the fact that there's this large scale

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jet connecting the inner radio loads of with the outer radio

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loads.

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And our observations show that the very large array of

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observations from the northern hemisphere are probably not

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correct because of difficulties they have observing the source

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because it's so low in the sky in the north. So, and we've

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shown there is large scale jet connecting the inner lobes to

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the outer lobes.

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Do we know what these jets are composed of? You mentioned

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electrons earlier?

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Yeah, sure. So we think, yeah, they're mostly electrons because

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electrons are small enough that they can be accelerated to close

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to the speed of light and cause this radio emission that we see

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it's much harder to.

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That's astronomer Professor Ben McKinley from the Curtin

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University nerd of the International Center For Radio

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Astronomy Research and this is Space Time. Still to come. India

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's Luna rover confirms the presence of sulfur at the Moon

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South Pole. And later in the Science Report Discovery of a

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cancer drug that could target HIV silent cells all that and

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more still to come on Space Time.

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India's Pragyan or Wisdom Lunar Rover has confirmed the presence

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of sulfur at the Moon's South Pole. It's the first major

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discovery by the tiny six wheeled rover since the Chandra

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N Three S Vikram or valid ascent vehicle became the first

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spacecraft to touch down near the Lunar South Pole iro.

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The Indian Space Research Organization says the detection

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of sulfur was made by the 26 kg rover's laser induced breakdown

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spectroscopy instrument. It says these in situ measurements

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confirm the presence of sulfur in the region unambiguously

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something not feasible using instruments on orbiters.

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The spectroscopic analysis also confirmed the presence of

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aluminum calcium iron chromium and titanium together with

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manganese silicon and oxygen and it's still continuing its search

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for signs of frozen water. The solar powered rover will spend

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half a loon a day.

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The equivalent of 14 earth days exploring the terrain around

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this relatively unmapped landing site, transmitting images and

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scientific data back to mission managers on Monday, the rover's

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exploration route had to be changed after venturing too

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close to a 4 m wide crater. The rover's journey of exploration

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on the Moon isn't fast traveling at just 10 centimeters per

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second.

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So as to minimize shark and damage from the Moon's rugged

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terrain. The Chandra three or Moon three in Sanskrit mission

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has captivated the Indian public 's imagination since its launch

00:22:41
six weeks ago, its successful touchdown on the Lunar surface

00:22:45
last week was viewed by thousands of cheering

00:22:47
Spectators.

00:22:49
An achievement made even more poignant by the Russian Lander

00:22:53
Lunar 25 crashing in the same region while attempting its own

00:22:56
competing landing. Mind you it hasn't been all beer and

00:23:00
skittles for the Indian Space Agency. A previous landing

00:23:03
attempt back in 2019 by the Chan Andrean two ended in failure.

00:23:08
In fact, only three other nations had achieved a soft

00:23:11
landing on the Moon, the Soviet Union, the United States also

00:23:15
the only country to have sent people there. And China. But

00:23:19
India is fast becoming a major player in the space industry. In

00:23:23
2014, India became the first Asian nation to achieve orbit

00:23:27
around Mars.

00:23:28
And it hopes to undertake its first manned space flight into

00:23:31
earth orbit next year. And Israel has just launched its

00:23:35
first scientific mission to observe the Sun.

00:23:38
The Aita L One will study the Sun from the Lagrangian L one

00:23:42
position about 1.5 million kilometers from earth Aita,

00:23:46
which means Sun in Hindi will be placed into a halo orbit around

00:23:50
L one which is a sort of gravitational balancing point

00:23:53
between the earth and the Sun. The orbit is shared by a number

00:23:57
of other Sun studying spacecraft including the joint NASA ESA

00:24:01
solar and Heliospheric observatory spacecraft.

00:24:04
Soho a ditch's mission is to try and understand the dynamics of

00:24:08
the solar wind using its seven scientific payloads including an

00:24:12
electromagnetic and particle light detector which will

00:24:14
observe the Sun's outmost layers, the photos sphere and

00:24:18
Chromos sphere. But the tiny spacecraft's first task will be

00:24:22
getting from earth orbit out to L one.

00:24:25
We'll keep you informed. This is Space Time and time. Now to take

00:24:46
a brief look at some of the other stories making news in

00:24:48
science this week with the science report, scientists have

00:24:52
found an existing blood cancer drug that shown promise in

00:24:56
killing silent HIV cells.

00:24:58
The discovery by researchers at the Peter Doherty Institute has

00:25:02
already been shown to help delay the virus from re emerging in

00:25:05
patients being treated with anti retroviral cocktails. Hidden HIV

00:25:10
cells known as Latin infection are responsible for the virus

00:25:14
permanently remaining in the body and cannot be treated by

00:25:17
current therapies.

00:25:18
The new findings published in the journal cell reports,

00:25:21
medicine are based on research in which scientists looked at

00:25:24
blood cells from patients infected with HIV and the impact

00:25:27
of the cancer drug venetoclax, both alone and in combination

00:25:31
with another drug known as S 63 845 they found that Venita

00:25:37
claques killed HIV, one lately infected cells and that the

00:25:42
drugs were able to delay the time it took for the virus to

00:25:44
bounce back once antiretroviral therapy had stopped a clinical

00:25:49
trial based on the findings will now be launched in Denmark and

00:25:52
Australia to test whether veda claques can be used as a

00:25:55
potential pathway to develop a cure for HIV.

00:25:59
There are an estimated 40 million people worldwide

00:26:02
currently living with HIV. The virus that causes AIDS included

00:26:08
in that count are more than 29 Australians.

00:26:13
Scientists have developed a new test which could help predict

00:26:16
who's likely to get dementia in the next 14 years. A report in

00:26:21
the British medical journal claims the test known as the UK

00:26:24
Bio bank dementia risk score was developed using data from over

00:26:28
200 people.

00:26:30
It works by looking at 11 predictive factors. These

00:26:34
include age education, a history of diabetes, a history of

00:26:38
current depression, a history of stroke, parental dementia,

00:26:41
economic disadvantage, high blood pressure, high cholesterol

00:26:45
living alone and being male.

00:26:48
The researchers also looked at whether people had the gene apo

00:26:52
E which is a known risk factor for dementia. When they use the

00:26:56
test on a separate group of 70 people aged between 50 73

00:27:01
the test performed better at predicting who would develop

00:27:03
dementia over 14 years than three other current dementia

00:27:07
tests.

00:27:09
Well, the biggest search in more than half a century has been

00:27:12
underway in the Scottish Highlands looking for the

00:27:14
elusive Loch Ness Monster. Hundreds of amateur researchers

00:27:18
and enthusiastic Nesi hunters from around the world have been

00:27:21
braving the pelting rains in order to scour the 36 kilometer

00:27:25
long 240 m deep lock, using everything from drones and

00:27:30
thermal imaging cameras to sophisticated sonars and

00:27:33
underwater hydrophones.

00:27:35
With the aim of unraveling a mystery that's captivated the

00:27:38
world's attention for generations. Reports of an

00:27:42
aquatic monster lurking in the lochs murky depths go back to

00:27:46
ancient times. There are even rock carvings in the area

00:27:49
depicting a mysterious beastie with flippers.

00:27:52
The earliest written record of the creature can be found in the

00:27:55
biography of the Irish Monk Saint Columba in the year 5, 65.

00:28:00
Since then, there have been thousands of alleged sightings

00:28:03
as commonly describing a prehistoric marine ripped off

00:28:06
from the age of the dinosaurs known as a plesiosaur. Of

00:28:10
course, chances of actually finding the mythical beast range

00:28:14
from slim to nonexistent.

00:28:16
Hundreds of blurry images and a couple of not bad fakes have

00:28:19
turned up. But if there really is something there, then it's

00:28:23
more likely to be a giant sturgeon, a humongous catfish or

00:28:27
possibly a new species of giant eagle. Other possibilities

00:28:31
include a lost seal or shark that swam along the canal

00:28:34
connecting the loch to the North Sea.

00:28:37
However, to be honest, the end of the legend really happened

00:28:40
back in 2018. That's when scientists from Otago

00:28:43
University, New Zealand undertook a detailed

00:28:46
environmental DNA search of the lock and they found no

00:28:50
unexplained DNA sequences in the lake's dark waters. Absolutely

00:28:54
nothing that could be attributed to Nese.

00:28:58
Well, they may just have reached the surface of the Moon and are

00:29:01
planning to launch their first manned mission into orbit next

00:29:04
year. But India's times a modern scientifically advanced space

00:29:07
faring nation may wind up being rather short lived. You see

00:29:12
Indian authorities are dumbing down the country's education

00:29:15
system.

00:29:16
They're cutting key scientific topics from the curriculum,

00:29:19
including the periodic table and evolution. Tim Mendham from

00:29:24
Australian Skeptics says the move is being pushed along by a

00:29:27
strong nationalist movement within the government in India.

00:29:30
There's a bit of a drive on to promote what they call Hindu.

00:29:33
Science, locally developed science that supposedly goes

00:29:37
back thousands of years to show that we don't need all this

00:29:40
stuff. We had it all before. In India, there's a suggestion that

00:29:44
what's happened now is that especially for 15 to 16 year old

00:29:47
students in high school, in secondary schools in India, in

00:29:50
their science classes, all references to evolution.

00:29:53
A periodic table, climate related topics have been cut

00:29:57
from textbooks. So kids who are studying biology at that level,

00:30:01
which is the general level of people doing science are not

00:30:04
being taught evolution, which is being criticized by saying not

00:30:06
teaching evolution in biology. It's like not using numbers in

00:30:09
mathematics. It's the basis of it, it's the core of it, it's

00:30:12
highly important.

00:30:14
So by having it cut out, it implies there's a certain bias

00:30:17
in what things are being presented, not just downplayed,

00:30:19
it's actually cut out of the textbooks has been taken and

00:30:23
have taken all these subjects out. The authorities claim that

00:30:26
the content is covered elsewhere and that it's difficult to

00:30:29
explain and they say it might be irrelevant anyway. Well, it's

00:30:32
not irrelevant.

00:30:33
Obviously, evolution is not irrelevant to biology in the

00:30:35
same way as the periodic table is not irrelevant to chemistry

00:30:38
and it's difficult. Well, that's up to the teachers, isn't it the

00:30:41
way you teach? You can teach evolution pretty

00:30:43
straightforward. You don't have to become a phd at high school

00:30:46
level and the content is covered elsewhere.

00:30:47
Well, that's hard to say because basically it means that kids who

00:30:50
go up to age 15, 16 and who don't choose to go into science

00:30:54
classes and not being taught their stuff. Hopefully it's

00:30:57
taught later on for the time being anyway. But that's only

00:30:59
for people who choose to do science. So the general public

00:31:02
is not going to hear about evolution, periodic tables,

00:31:05
climate change, energy sources, all sorts of things like that.

00:31:08
There is a general anti science pseudo science move that's going

00:31:12
on in India, whether it's in education, even at university

00:31:15
level, there are some very strange theories put forward

00:31:17
such as the Indian God with an elephant head on a man is

00:31:21
evidence of advanced surgery by Indians thousands of years ago

00:31:25
that all sorts of strange things that have been put forward in

00:31:29
Indian circles, often by people who should know a lot better get

00:31:32
a move on to try and stop this, but it's having a hard time.

00:31:36
So it is supported at the highest levels of politics.

00:31:38
Is this just one political party or is this across the board?

00:31:42
It's mainly Modi's party? Well, the claims are actually being

00:31:44
put forward as a general movement and it's definitely

00:31:46
being supported by Prime Minister for the last 10 years

00:31:50
and it's hurting India's development.

00:31:52
What does that do for India? It 's now the world's largest

00:31:55
country in terms of population. What's that? Going to do for the

00:31:58
development of the nation.

00:31:59
It's also a country that is pushing itself as an advanced

00:32:01
nation. It's got a huge university education resource.

00:32:04
It's got a lot of research they're trying to sort of push

00:32:07
through. But this is obviously one, it makes them look a bit

00:32:09
silly and two, it'd be raising people who really don't have a

00:32:12
broad enough understanding of what's going on.

00:32:14
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