S26E64: Blue Origin's Lunar Lander // Black Holes near Earth // Ancient Martian Ocean
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S26E64: Blue Origin's Lunar Lander // Black Holes near Earth // Ancient Martian Ocean

In this episode of SpaceTime with Stuart Gary:
  1. Blue Origin selected to build NASA's next lunar lander: NASA has chosen Blue Origin to develop the Blue Moon lander concept, which will transport crews and supplies between lunar orbit and the Moon's surface. This partnership aims to support NASA's Artemis program, which aims to return humans to the Moon.
  2. Searching for black holes near Earth: Astronomers have discovered compelling evidence of a rare type of black hole within Messier 4, the closest globular star cluster to Earth, located approximately 6,000 light-years away. This finding sheds light on the existence of black holes in our cosmic neighborhood.
  3. Confirmation of a vast ancient ocean on Mars: Scientists analyzing data from China's Zhurong Mars rover have provided further confirmation that a massive ocean once covered significant portions of Mars' northern hemisphere lowlands. This discovery contributes to our understanding of Mars' past and its potential for habitability.
  4. The Science Report: Research indicates that deep ocean circulation around Antarctica is slowing down, aligning with predictions made by climate change models. The presence of micro and nano-plastics is now impacting global food safety and security. A study finds no discernible difference in the brain structure of gender-diverse teenagers compared to their cisgender counterparts. A skeptical examination of optical illusions often mistaken as proof of paranormal activity. To listen to this episode and access show links, visit https://spacetimewithstuartgary.com/listen. You can also support the podcast and gain access to bonus content by becoming a SpaceTime crew member through www.bitesz.supercast.com or premium versions on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Discover more SpaceTime episodes and other podcasts at https://bitesz.com.


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Stuart Gary: This is Space Time series 26 episode 64 for

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broadcast on the 29th of May 2023. Coming up on Space Time

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Blue Origin to build a Lunar Lander for NASA. The search for

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black holes close to Earth and more evidence supporting the

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existence of a vast Northern Martian Ocean. All that and more

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coming up on Space Time.

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Generic: Welcome to Space Time with Stuart Garry.

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Stuart Gary: NASA has selected Blue Origin to develop its Blue

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Moon Lunar Lander concept to carry crews and supplies between

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lunar orbit and the surface of the Moon. The new spacecraft

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will need to be fully operational in time for the

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aardema five mission which is currently stated to launch in

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2029. The $3.4 billion.

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Blue Origin Lunar Lander contract follows the awarding

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two years ago of a separate Lunar Lander contract with

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SpaceX. SpaceX offered the HLS a modified version of its reusable

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starship into planetary colonial transport spacecraft. It'll

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shuttle crews and supplies between lunar orbit and the

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Moon's surface for the atoms. Three and four missions in 2026

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2028 respectively.

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That contract was valued at $2.9 billion. However, both companies

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would be putting in at least as much a gain of their own money

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in order to get the spacecraft developed. In time. NASA's head,

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Bill Nelson says having two separate companies developing

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different lunar Landers will give NASA reliability and back

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ups.

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Having two very distinct a Lunar Lander designs with different

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approaches as to how they meet NASA's mission needs, provides

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more robustness and should ensure a regular cadence of

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lunar landings. The Artemis program marks NASA's return to

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the Moon after Apollo more than 50 years ago.

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Blue Origin's Blue Moon Lander is being developed in

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association with Boeing and Lockheed Martin as well as

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several other partner companies including Draper as Robotic and

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Honeybee robotics. Lockheed Martin's involvement will also

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include developing a space tanker which will then be used

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to refuel the Blue Moon Lander in lunar orbit.

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Blue Origin, which is owned by Amazon's Jeff Bezos plans to use

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its yet to be flown new Glen heavy lift rocket in order to

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launch both its Lander and its refueling tanker. The current

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short term Artemis rundown looks like this. The unmanned Artemis

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one mission providing a maiden test flight for the SLS rocket

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and sending the Orion spacecraft around the Moon and back to

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Earth again has been complete success next year.

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Artemus two will repeat that exercise, but this time carrying

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a crew. Artemi three which at this stage is stated for 2026

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will see the Orion SLS spacecraft dock directly with

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the starship HLS Lander.

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Two crew members will then transfer to the Lunar Lander and

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descend down to the Moon's surface and they'll stay for

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about a week near the Moon's south pole while the remaining

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pairs stay aboard the Orion Yama Four mission will launch in 2028

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with Aema five in 2029. But instead of docking directly with

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the lunar Landers, these will use the yet to be built lunar

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Gateway space station.

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A sort of lunar orbital staging post crew can then transfer from

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their Orion capsules into the docked HLS and Blue Moon Landers

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to shuttle down of the lunar surface and back again. Of

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course, the IUS program isn't just designed to return humans

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to the lunar surface. Its real aim is to get people to MARS.

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This report from NASA TV.

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Generic: Between 1968 and 1972 America launched nine human

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missions to the Moon six of which successfully touched down

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allowing 12 men to walk on the lunar surface. NASA's next

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chapter of lunar exploration called Artemis has the task of

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not just going to the Moon to create a long term human

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presence on and around it, but also to prepare for ever more

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complex human missions to MARS. So what will an Artemis mission

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look like?

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Everything is designed and tested with our most important

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element in mind, the astronauts, their deep space human rated

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spacecraft called Orion built in three parts, the crew module

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where up to four astronauts will live and work throughout the

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flight.

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The service module with life support systems for the crew and

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its own engine and field reserves and to launch a board

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system with engines capable of pulling the crew to safety

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during launch. Should anything go wrong to accomplish the task

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of launching our crew in heavy payloads.

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NASA is building the space launch system comprising of a

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cargo hold, an exploration upper stage, a massive core stage and

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two extended solid rocket boosters altogether. This is the

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world's most powerful rocket and it exceeds the legendary Saturn

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five of the Apollo era in numerous ways sitting on the

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launch pad.

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The entire rocket fully fueled weighs just over £6 million 5.2

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million of which is just the fuel once ignited. There is no

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stopping what comes next. All four R S 25 engines and the two

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solid rocket boosters come to life.

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Thundering our crew upwards two minutes after ignition, the

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solid rocket boosters are spent and released eight minutes after

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launch. The core stage is depleted and separated. The

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upper stage fires briefly placing Orion into a parking

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orbit around the Earth.

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Here the crew reconfigure the spacecraft and check systems to

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confirm everything is ready for deep space travel with a go for

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mission control. The crew reignites the exploration upper

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stage engines to leave Earth entirely.

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The exact timing of this maneuver is critical to reach a

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speed that can escape Earth's gravitational pull, but also put

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Orion on a course that will intersect the Moon days later,

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once the burn is complete, the upper stage of the SLS is

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jettisoned and the crew aboard Orion coast for several days

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toward all that awaits them at the Moon.

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Approaching the Moon. We see the fundamental differences between

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Artemis and Apollo instead of requiring Orion to serve as an

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expendable lunar command module or to carry a constrained Lunar

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Lander.

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The Artemis missions will take advantage of a different

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approach, pre staging everything needed for lunar missions will

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be positioned in advance by commercial and international

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partners. This includes rovers, science experiments and human

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rated systems on the surface.

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But it also includes a dedicated lunar station in orbit around

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the Moon called Gateway. Here at this station, we can pre stage a

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robust Lunar Lander and establish a strong

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communications relay designed with open standards.

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The Gateway can be expanded as new missions and partnerships

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develop, allowing multiple human missions on the Moon at the same

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time and enabling ongoing science to be conducted even

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between human missions. The Gateway is also capable of

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adjusting its orbit to allow access to every part of the

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Moon, something the Apollo missions could not do.

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But the real key in this approach is placing Gateway in a

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unique halo orbit to perfect the maneuvers needed for MARS

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missions. And with the growing list of commercial and

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international opportunities.

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Gateway is the ideal hub between Earth and all that lies beyond

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returning to our crew as they approach Gateway, the Orion must

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match the elliptical orbit of the station in order to

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successfully dock once on board, preselected crew members

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transfer to the Lunar Lander while those assigned to Gateway

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remain on station.

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The Lunar Lander system itself is built for three unique steps

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descending from the halo orbit of Gateway down to a low lunar

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orbit, descending from low lunar orbit to the surface.

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And once the lunar mission is complete, launching from the

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surface of the Moon and ascending all the way back to

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the orbiting Gateway.

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Once back aboard the Orion spacecraft and undocked from

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Gateway, the crew fire their engine want to break out of the

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halo orbit and once again to sling the spacecraft around the

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Moon, placing it on a multi day trajectory back towards Earth as

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they near the end of this journey. The service module is

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released and the crew module is oriented heat shield first

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entering Earth's atmosphere at 25 MPH.

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The friction of air slows Orion considerably while also

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subjecting it to temperatures of 5000 degrees with the Orion. Now

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at just 300 MPH, a series of parachutes uniquely tested and

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produced for this moment, deploy, decelerating the craft

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to just 20 MPH for splashdown with each successful mission.

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Artemus ushers in the next wave of men and women to explore our

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Moon and prove that together we are ready to go beyond.

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Stuart Gary: This Space Time. Still to come a search for black

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holes close to Earth and more evidence supporting the

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existence of a vast Northern Martian ocean on the red planet.

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All that and more still to come on Space Time.

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Astronomers have come up with some of their best evidence yet

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for the presence of a rare class of black hole which may be

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lurking in the heart of one of the closest globular clusters to

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Earth messi F four located just 6000 light years away. One of

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the big questions puzzling astronomers is why black holes

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only seem to come in two sizes.

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It seems there are either stellar mass black holes which

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are formed either from the collapse of giant stars or from

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the merger of two neutron stars or alternatively, there are

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super massive black holes which are millions to billions of

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times larger than their stellar counterparts and are found at

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the centers of most if not all Galaxies, astronomers don't seem

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to find many intermediate sized black holes those tens of

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thousands to hundreds of thousands of solar masses in

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size.

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It's been estimated that our milky way galaxy is littered

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with maybe 100 million stellar mass black holes and the

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universe appears flooded with supermassive black holes. The

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long sought after missing link are the so called intermediate

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mass black holes. And for decades.

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Astronomers have been wondering where are they and why are they

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so rare over the years, astronomers have identified a

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few possible intermediate mass black hole candidates. Two of

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the best are three XMM J 21 50 22.4 minus 055 108 which Hubble

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helped discover back in 2020 and H LX one which was identified in

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2009.

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Both of these reside in dense globular star clusters in the

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outskirts of other Galaxies. Globular clusters are tightly

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bound ancient stellar spheres containing thousands to millions

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of stars all bound together by gravity.

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They're commonly found in the halos of Galaxies. The milky

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way, for example, has at least 150 globular clusters and our

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nearest big neighboring galaxy Andromeda has an estimated 500

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globular clusters are both much older and far more dense than

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their open cluster counterparts, which are found in the discs of

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Galaxies.

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Many globular clusters are comprised of stars which are all

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thought to have originally formed at the same time from the

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collapse of the same molecular gas and dust cloud.

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However, others appear to be the surviving cause of ancient

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Galaxies which have been cannibalized by other Galaxies

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through galactic mergers. So far, the possible intermediate

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mass black hole candidates discovered appear to be

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reasonably small with around a few tens of thousands of solar

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masses.

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And they're all thought to have once have been at the centers of

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dwarf Galaxies. NASA's Chandra X-Ray Observatory has also

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helped make many possible intermediate mass black hole

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discoveries including a large sample in 2018, looking much

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closer to home.

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There have been a number of suspected intermediate mass

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black holes detected in dense globular clusters orbiting the

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halo of the milky way. For example, in 2008 Hubble

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astronomers announced the suspected presence of an

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intermediate mass black hole in the globular cluster Omega

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Centauri for a number of reasons including the need for more

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data.

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These and other intermediate mass black hole findings still

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remaining conclusive and alternative explanations can't

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be ruled out. Now, scientists have used the unique

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capabilities of the Hubble space telescope to zero in on the core

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of the globular star cluster mef four using far higher precision

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than available for previous searchers.

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The study's lead author Eduardo Vireo from the space telescope

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Science Institute in Baltimore, Maryland says his team has

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detected what could be a possible intermediate mass black

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hole of roughly 800 solar masses.

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A report in the Journal, the monthly notices, the Royal

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Astronomical Society says the suspected object can't be seen

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directly but its mass can be calculated by studying the

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motions of stars caught in its gravitational field, but

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measuring their motion takes time and a lot of precision

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which is where Hubble comes in the trail.

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And colleagues examined two years worth of m four

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observations from Hubble studying individual stars in the

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suspected black hole.

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Now, the Hubble data tends to rule out alternative theories

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for this object such as a compact central cluster of

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unresolved stellar remnants like neutron stars or smaller stellar

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mass black holes swirling around each other. But tra says he's

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confident that he's now narrowed down in a very tiny region with

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a lot of concentrated mass.

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It's about three times smaller than the densest dark mass found

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before in other globular clusters. And he says the

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region's more compact than what can be reproduced using

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numerical simulations. Even when one takes into account other

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highly compacted objects like stellar mass, black holes,

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neutron stars or white dwarves.

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But Charles says the observations showed that the

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closer to the central mass, the more randomly the stars are

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moving and the greater the central mass, the faster the

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stellar velocity is.

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He says there's simply no other physics to explain such a

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compact concentration of mass. A grouping of such close knit

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objects would be dynamically unstable. So if the object isn't

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a single intermediate mass black hole, it would require an

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estimated 40 smaller stellar mass black holes cramped into an

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area of space 1/10 of a light year across in order to produce

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the same sort of stellar motions.

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And the consequences of that are that they would simply either

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merge or be ejected out of the system by the immense

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gravitational perturbations. This report from NASA TV, it's.

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spk_3: Estimated that our galaxy is littered with 100 million

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small black holes created from exploded stars while the

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universe at large is flooded with super massive black holes,

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millions or billions of times our sun's mass and found in the

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centers of Galaxies. A long sought missing link between the

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two is an intermediate mass black hole weighing in at

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hundreds to thousands of solar masses.

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Astronomers using NASA's Hubble space telescope have possibly

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detected one of these elusive intermediate mass black holes in

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the core of the globular star cluster. Meier four located 6000

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light years away from Earth. They calculated the suspected

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black hole's mass by studying the motion of stars caught in

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its gravitational field using 12.5 years worth of mesi four

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observations from Hubble.

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The researchers estimate that the black hole could be as much

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as 800 times the mass of our sun. Thanks to Hubble's high

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precision observations over a long period of time, scientists

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can search the skies to help us uncover the mysteries of this

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missing link and better understand our place in the

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universe.

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Stuart Gary: This is Space Time still to come. More evidence

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supporting a vast Northern Martian ocean. And later in the

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science report, a new study confirms that deep ocean

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circulation around Antarctica has slowed down and that's

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important because it's one of the predictions made in climate

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change models. All that and more still to come on Space Time.

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Scientists examining data from China's Juang MARS Rover claim

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to have now confirmed that a giant Martian Ocean once

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occupied vast areas of the red planet's northern hemisphere

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lowlands. Orbital observations of.

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MARS show clear evidence of features that look like beaches

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and sea shores bordering what appears to have once been a vast

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liquid water, ocean and ocean which would have covered much of

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the Martian northern hemisphere billions of years ago back in a

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time when the red planet was a far warmer wetter world with a

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much thicker atmosphere than what we see today.

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And ground observations by NASA Rovers have confirmed that

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liquid water did once flow in the many streams and rivers

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which appear to have criss crossed the now freeze dried

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desert planet.

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A popular hypothesis of a paleo ocean air in the Martian

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northern lowlands suggests that it would have formed a special

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marine sedimentary geological unit which scientists call the

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vacio spalla formation. But up until now, there's been no in

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situ data to support this idea and that's where Beijing's rover

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comes in.

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Now, a team of scientists claim their in situ observations using

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data from Xan provide the first direct evidence of marine

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sedimentary rocks in the Martian Lowlands. The data was obtained

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by multi spectral cameras carried on the Zang rover in

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2021. The Zang rover carried by China's Tianwen one spacecraft

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successfully landed on the southern edge of the Utopia

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plans in the eastern part of the great northern plain.

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Part of the rover's mission was to search for any possible

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evidence for or against the existence of an ancient ocean on

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MARS, which possibly could have hosted early life after all here

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on Earth.

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Wherever you find evidence of liquid water, there's evidence

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of life since landing, the Jurong rover has been heading

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south towards a potential coastline area. Observing the

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expo for set assis form me along the way. Before shutting down,

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Gero traveled about 1921 m and used different imaging and

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analysis systems to conduct in situ observations of rock

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outcrops and features.

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The navigation and terrain cameras obtained 106 sets of

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panoramic images which recorded in detail surface morphology and

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structural characteristics of many of the rocks. Along the

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way.

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The study's authors examine the photos sent back by the rovers

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on board cameras finding that the exposed rocks develop

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bedding structures which are significantly different from the

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common volcanic rocks seen in other areas of the Martian

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surface. And they're also very different from the bedding

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structures formed by a alien or wind driven sand position.

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In fact, these structures indicated bidirectional flow

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characteristics and that's consistent with what we see here

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on Earth in low energy tidal currents. Since the observed

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rocks were all located in the Jurong inspection area.

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The research team have named the geological feature, it

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represents the Jurong member during the study. The authors

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found that the rocks in this section typically retain local

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len shaped cross bedding fabrics, mainly composed of a

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variety of small scale cross bedding accompanied by a small

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amount of len shaped fleecer bedding and sedimentary

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structures which look like small channels.

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Among these, the layers that make up the cross bedding

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overlap and they tend to tilt in two opposite directions. And

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that's indicating a bidirectional patio current

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environment.

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In addition, since the thicknesses and grain size of

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the strata have large differences in different

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directions. It indicates that there are differences in the

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intensity of paleo currents in the two directions. This

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bidirectional water flow pattern is usually formed by fluid

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action with periodic flow direction changes.

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And that's not common in alien or flu environments, but it is

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common in the shallow sea environments on Earth. Of

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course, compared with Earth's big single Moon MARS is only two

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really tiny little moons, furs and D mass. And that means any

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surface tidal action would have extremely low energy.

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And so only really small scale bedding structures could be

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formed in this sort of tidal environment. Still, the bed

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forms and sedimentary structures identified in the study do show

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clear evidence supporting an aqueous flow rather than some

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sort of wind deposition.

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Overall, the team's observational results of the

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Juang member Rox in this study are providing the first direct

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evidence which supports the existence of an ancient ocean in

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the Northern Martian plains and that's significant this Space

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Time and time.

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Now, to take a brief look at some of the other stories making

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news in science this week, with the science report, scientists

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have confirmed that the deep ocean circulation around

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Antarctica has slowed down by approximately 30 per cent since

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the 19 nineties. The findings reported in the Journal nature

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confirm the warnings of climate change models which predicted

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that deep ocean circulation would be about to collapse.

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Melting glaciers release fresh water into the ocean and this

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water is less dense than salty water. And so it reduces the

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amount of water sinking near Antarctica, slowing the ocean

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currents.

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The slowing of the deep water circulation could have serious

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impacts for the climate for sea level rise and for ocean

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ecosystems. A recent study projected the slowdown of the

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Antarctic overturning by 40 per cent by 2050 and this new

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research confirms that this change is already occurring.

00:23:11
Australia's National Science Agency, the CSIRO is warning

00:23:15
that micro and nano plastics are now pervasive in our food supply

00:23:19
system and may be affecting food safety and security on a global

00:23:23
scale. This study is the first to analyze the academic

00:23:27
literature on microplastics from a food safety and food security

00:23:30
risk viewpoint.

00:23:31
Building on past studies which primarily track plastics in

00:23:34
fish. It shows that plastics in their additives are present in a

00:23:38
range of concentrations, not only in fish but also in many

00:23:41
other products including meat, chicken rice, water, takeaway

00:23:45
food and beverages and even fresh produce.

00:23:48
The plastics are entering the human food chain through

00:23:51
numerous pathways such as ingestion shown by the fish

00:23:55
studies. But also surprisingly through food processing and

00:23:58
packaging, for example, fresh food can be plastic free when

00:24:02
it's picked or caught but contain plastics. By the time

00:24:05
it's been handled packaged and made its way to consumers.

00:24:08
Things like machinery, cutting boards and plastic wrapping can

00:24:11
all deposit micro and nano plastics onto food. Another

00:24:15
important pathway for these contaminants to enter our

00:24:17
agricultural system is through biosolids sourced from

00:24:20
wastewater treatment. Biosolids are a rich fertilizer for

00:24:24
agricultural land, but they can also contain plastic particles

00:24:28
from many different sources such as the washing of synthetic

00:24:31
clothing.

00:24:32
And these particles can build up in the soil and change the soil

00:24:35
structure over time which may affect crop production, food

00:24:39
security and ecosystem resilience. Eventually, some get

00:24:43
absorbed by the roots of plants and that's how we end up eating

00:24:46
them.

00:24:48
A new study has confirmed that a comparison of brains of teens

00:24:52
who are gender diverse and those who are not show no difference

00:24:56
in brain size or capacity. However, they are also showing

00:24:59
there might be some differences in specific brain features.

00:25:04
The findings reported in the Journal of the American Medical

00:25:06
Association looked at 2165 teenagers in the Netherlands and

00:25:11
found no differences in brain volume. But they did find that

00:25:15
for young people who signed male at birth, parts of one area of

00:25:18
the brain appear to be thicker among youth who reported gender

00:25:22
diversity.

00:25:23
While more research is needed, the authors say they're not

00:25:26
trained to develop diagnostic tests to confirm a person's

00:25:28
gender identity or treatments too in brackets affect anyone.

00:25:32
Instead they want to learn more about neurobiology and gender

00:25:36
diversity in order to move towards de stigmatization and

00:25:39
improve the quality of life for people with diverse gender

00:25:43
identities.

00:25:45
Well, people all like to think of themselves as being the

00:25:47
pinnacle of evolution. I hate to say it, but the truth is our

00:25:51
brains are somewhat dumb. In fact, it's a wonder we can walk

00:25:55
across the room without accidentally killing ourselves.

00:25:58
And the proof is, you suddenly have no idea how far away

00:26:01
something is.

00:26:02
If you simply close one eye, also, your sense of danger is

00:26:06
largely color coded and your very ability to remain upright

00:26:09
depends on stuff in your middle ear. So it's not surprising that

00:26:13
when presented with stimuli that your brain simply doesn't really

00:26:16
understand, it makes stuff up.

00:26:19
And unfortunately, for the skeptics out there, that means

00:26:22
some people immediately jump to the idea of ghosts or the

00:26:25
supernatural in reality. A lot of so-called paranormal

00:26:29
phenomena is nothing more than old fashioned optical illusion.

00:26:33
And Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics says there's some

00:26:36
really common ones out.

00:26:37
Tim Mendham: There, there's a study done and these pictures

00:26:40
crop up all the time in sort of paranormal sites, websites and

00:26:43
you know, on TV, and they are pictures or videos of a

00:26:46
paranormal or whatever activity and what they do prove is that

00:26:49
your eyes can be fooled.

00:26:51
And as a witness, you're not very good, which are two things

00:26:53
that are sort of big in the law as every policeman will tell

00:26:56
you, you see things we've done there and you remember things

00:26:59
that never happened. So the observation powers of people are

00:27:02
fairly limit that they will jump to conclusions, which is where

00:27:04
optical illusions come from.

00:27:05
Whether it's seeing a rabbit or an old lady in a silhouette or

00:27:09
two faces kissing or a vase or a parador comes into a lot that's

00:27:14
about faces and things like that. And the shapes that you

00:27:15
know, face in the cloud, man in the Moon, all those things, but

00:27:18
you can take it further and you see things that you think are

00:27:20
true and even logically true, but that aren't what you think.

00:27:23
And there's often simple explanations.

00:27:25
One is called the Brock and Specter, which is basically if

00:27:27
you're standing in a mist, clouds behind you rather than

00:27:30
above you behind you. And the light is coming from in front

00:27:33
and you will create a shadow in the mist, which looks like an

00:27:36
aura around you because the shadow is a bit bigger than your

00:27:38
body is and that can be on the ground or it can be in the mist

00:27:40
or it can be all sorts of things.

00:27:42
And people say, look, it's an aura, it's a spirit around, you

00:27:44
know, it's a shadow but it's a quite natural explanation for

00:27:47
it. It's called the Brock inspector. And that one happens

00:27:49
all the time. There's obviously mirages and mirages are real and

00:27:52
they can be photographed.

00:27:53
You think that they can be photographed. There's not a lot

00:27:55
of human interaction necessarily in there, but, you know, things

00:27:58
floating in the sky and it talks about ships floating in the sky,

00:28:01
cities floating in the sky by different atmospheric layers,

00:28:05
isn't it? That's right. That's right.

00:28:06
But people see it and they think it's the paranormal thing. But

00:28:08
then there's this very simple explanation of layers of hot and

00:28:11
cold air which interact with each other and magnify and move

00:28:14
an image which is somewhere else. That's pretty

00:28:17
straightforward. There's gravity hills, which is, there's one

00:28:19
near Adelaide, I think where you can park a car or stop a car on

00:28:22
a hill and it will seem to roll up hill.

00:28:24
Yes, same as balls and things. And I remember way back when

00:28:27
you're going into the old fairs and a magic house, et cetera,

00:28:31
and they often have a little sort of rolling ball that seems

00:28:33
to be rolling uphill, Coney Island, Luna Park, all those

00:28:36
things. Yeah.

00:28:36
And they were sort of fascinating because basically

00:28:40
you were not sure where the horizon was, you were not sure

00:28:42
whether you were level or not and they used to fool you by

00:28:45
having something that looked like it was upright, but it was

00:28:47
actually leaning to one side and that's what these gravity hills

00:28:50
are.

00:28:50
You can't necessarily see the horizon and you think something

00:28:54
is level or downhill when it's actually uphill and vice versa.

00:28:56
And that's a pretty standard thing. Nothing. You don't say it

00:29:00
happens all the time. But when there is a place where it does

00:29:02
happen all the time, it often gets a named as a place in

00:29:04
Florida called Spook Hill, which is blamed on the ghost of an

00:29:06
alligator Florida.

00:29:07
But it's actually just one of these things where you can't

00:29:09
quite see the horizon. So you can't compare it to how things

00:29:12
whether they're flat or not. And you just assume because of the

00:29:15
slight gradient you believe is going downhill when it's

00:29:18
actually going uphill or vice versa.

00:29:19
And that's the sort of thing that happens all the time, all

00:29:22
these things, there's a whole range of these things about

00:29:24
hills and you think the slope is going the wrong way. So that's

00:29:26
the fairly common optical illusion which is easily

00:29:29
explained, but looks impressive that the whole definition of an

00:29:32
optical illusion, it looks impressive. A dull looking one

00:29:36
is not going to have much of an effect.

00:29:37
A good one will stay in your mind and say in a lot of

00:29:40
people's minds when they see it, but it's not necessarily what

00:29:42
they think it is. So your ability to reason your ability

00:29:45
to eye witness your ability to see what you want to see are all

00:29:49
problems that actually exist in law courts and in real life.

00:29:52
Stuart Gary: That's Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics and

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