S27E107: First Galaxies Unveiled, Europa Clipper’s Big Leap, and Falcon 9’s Fiery Fall

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This is SpaceTime series 27, episode 107, for broadcast of the 4th of September 2024. Coming up on SpaceTime.

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You discover it's about the universe's first galaxies? Nasses Europa Clipper mission moving towards flight readiness for next month's launch

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and SpaceX places Falcon 9 launches on hold following a spectacular landing failure

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: all that and more coming up on SpaceTime.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And you study a show that the universe's first galaxies weren't overly massive after all,

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: but it appears their central black holes were making them seem bigger and brighter.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The findings were reported in the astronomical journal, shows that galaxies which appeared

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: overly massive in the very early universe, most likely hosted black holes, which were rapidly

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: consuming gas, making them both brighter and appearance, and also look bigger than they really

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: were as a result. You see, when astronomers got their first glimpses of galaxies in the early

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: universe from NASA's web space telescope, they were expecting to find lots of galactic dwarfs,

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: but instead what they found appeared to be a bevy of giants. Some galaxies appear to have

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: grown so massive so quickly that simulations simply couldn't account for it, and that suggested

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: that something must be wrong with science's understanding of the standard model of cosmology.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the theory that explains what the universe was made of and how it evolved since the big

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: bank that in point eight billion years ago. The studies lead author Katherine Chorowski from

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: the University of Texas at Austin, says some of these early galaxies are in fact much less massive

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: than they first appeared, but their central supermassive black holes feeding vorotiously make them

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: are still seen more galaxies than predicted, none of them are so massive that they break the

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: universe, or at least scientists aren't at standing over it. The evidence was provided by webs

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: cosmic evolution early release science survey. It was led by study co-authors Steven Finklstein,

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: also from UT Austin. It shows that friction in the fast moving gas being consumed by the supermassive

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: black holes and myths a lot of heat and light, making the galaxies appear to be much brighter than

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: would be with a light emitted just from stars. So this extra light is what's making it appear that

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the galaxies contain more stars than they really do and hence a more massive. When scientists

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: remove these galaxies, double the red dots based on their red color and small size from their

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: analysis, the remaining early galaxies are no longer too massive to fit within the predictions of

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the standard model. Although they've settled the main dilemma, a less thorny problem remains.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You see, there are still roughly twice as many massive galaxies in the web data of the

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: early universe as what was expected according to the standard model. Now one possible explanation

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: for this is that stars simply form more quickly in the early universe than what they do now.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Cherowski proposes the early universe was simply better at turning gas into stars.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Star formation happens when molecular gas and dust clouds cool enough for dense

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: regions in those clouds to start to collapse under their own gravity. This eventually becomes a

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of runaway effect, ultimately turning the gas into stars. But as the gas contracts it heats

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: up, generating outward pressure. Now in our region of the universe, this balance of the opposing

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: forces tends to make the star formation process very slow. The Milky Way, for example, is only

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: producing one solar mass star every Earth year at the moment. But perhaps because the early

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: others was closer together at hand-stensor, it would have been harder to blow gas out during

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: star formation allowing the process to go faster. Currently astronomers have been analyzing

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the spectra of little red dots discovered with web finding evidence of fast-moving hydrogen gas,

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: a signature of black hole accretion discs. And this supports the idea that at least some of

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the light coming from these compact red objects comes from gas squirling around black holes,

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: rather than stars, reinforcing our author's conclusions. This is space time.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Still to come, NASA's Europa Clipper Mission moving closer towards its october launch date,

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and SpaceX puts Falcon 9 launches on hold, following a spectacular landing failure.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: All that and more still to come, on space time.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: NASA's Europa Clipper Mission, the largest spacecraft NASA's ever-bogg for

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: planetary exploration, is now on track for a launch window opening on october 10.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The next major milestone for Clipper is key decision point E. That will be on September

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the 9th when the agency would decide whether the project is ready to proceed to launch

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and mission operations. The spacecraft's now been fitted with its enormous solar arrays

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: at the agency's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Each of the two massive solar arrays

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: measures 14.2 meters long and 4.1 meters wide. And just like the rest of the spacecraft,

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: they two are the biggest NASA's ever-developed for an interplanetary mission.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course they have to be so large so they can soak up as much sunlight as possible

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: during the spacecraft's mission to study Jupiter's Ice Moon Europa, which is five times further

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: away from the sun in the earth. The rays have now been folded up and secured against the spacecraft's

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: main body for the launch. But when they're deployed in space, Europa Clipper will spend more

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: than 30.5 meters across at longer than a basketball court. The wings as engineers call them

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: a so big that they could only be open one at a time in the clean room of the Kennedy Space

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Center's payload has a dissurve of the service facility where teams are ready in the spacecraft

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: for launch. This report from NASA TV... It's got to take six years to get out there. Just think

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: about the size it's just blockers. The solar ray is a powerhouse for the spacecraft on its journey

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: from Earth to Europa. We've just completed our first flight like deployment. These solar rays are

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: so big we could only test one-way at a time. The solar rays are really unique in that. Not only

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: doing the need to survive extremely cold temperatures, but it's also meant to survive the

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: extremely harsh Jupiter radiation environment. We built the solar rays on earth. We've tested

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: them, but now they're actually going to Jupiter to provide power to all these trimmons in this

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: spacecraft to send back valuable science. It's an engineering feat that we're able to develop.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It is extremely exciting for me to be part of that. That's TJ Lee from Johns Hopkins University.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's solar rays composed of five panels needed to power the flybys in a region of the solar

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: system that only receives three to four percent of the sunlight the Earth gets.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Designed in the build of the Johns Hopkins applied physics laboratory in La Rille, Maryland,

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: an A-Bass in Lydon and the Netherlands, the solar rays are far more sensitive than the type

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: of solar panels used on homes. And the highly efficient Europa-Chipus spacecraft will make the

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: most out of the power they generate. Once in Jovey and Orbit, Europa-Chipus solar rays will together

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: provide roughly 700 watts of power. It's about what a small microwave oven or a kitchen coffee-making

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: a board clipper batteries will store the power to run all the electronics. The full

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: payload of science instruments, communications equipment, the onboard computer and the entire

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: propulsion system which includes 24 engines. And while powering all that, the arrays also need to

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: operate in extreme cold. The spacecraft's temperature will plunged to minus 140 degrees Celsius

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: when operating through Jupiter's shadow. And to ensure the solar panels can operate in those

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: streams, engineers tested them in a specialized cryogenic chamber in Belgium. See, the spacecraft

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: itself has heaters and an internal thermal loop which keeps the onboard systems in a fairly normal

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: temperature range. But the solar arrays are exposed to the vacuum of space without heaters.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They're completely passive, so whatever the local environmental temperature is, that's the

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: temperature they get. About 90 minutes after launch, the solar arrays will unfill from their

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: planet. About two weeks later, 617.6 meter antennas are fixed to the arrays will also

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: deployed at their full size. These antennas belong to the radar instrument and they'll search

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: for water within and beneath the Jovian Moon's thick icy shell. Meanwhile, engineers have just

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: completed tests on the radiation hidingness of the transistors being used on the Europa Clipper spacecraft.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Long jeopardy is key because the spacecraft will journey for more than five years in order to arrive

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the Jovian system in 2030. As it orbits the gas giant, the probe will fly by Europa

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: multiple times using a squid of science instruments to find out whether the liquid water ocean

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: beneath the Moon's frozen surface has the right sort of conditions to support life as we know it.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Europa is slightly larger than the Earth's moon but it contains more water than all the Earth's

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: oceans combined. Many scientists believe that life on Earth began in the oceans, possibly at

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: ocean ridges where unique habitats exist. Those same sort of conditions are thought to exist

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: on the flaws of Europa's oceans, which raises the question could life have formed there as well.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And that question is fascinating because if we do eventually find life on say the red planet Mars

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: well, they will be exciting but Earth and Mars have been swapping rocks for billions of years

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: so there's always a possibility that a meteorite strike on Mars from Earth may have

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: intimidated the red planet with earthly microbes. On the other hand, it could have been

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Martian microbes which first provided the Earth with life in which case were all really Martians.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But if life is found out beyond the snow line on the Jovian moon Europa, that's a completely

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: different story. That's not a case of pan-Spermia contamination from somewhere else. It would mean

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that life arose there independently and if life has a risen in our solar system at two separate locations

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it would mean life must be common throughout the universe. Europa Clippers' main science

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: objectives are to determine the thickness of the Moon's icy shell and its interactions with

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the ocean below to investigate its composition and to characterize its geology. The mission's

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: detailed exploration of Europa will help scientists better understand the astrobiological potential

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: for habitable worlds beyond Earth. The spacecraft was assembled at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: in Pasadena, California. It was then transported across the country to the Cape Canaveral Space

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: for Space and Florida. An operation which is NASA TV explains has its own logistical problems.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever thought about how we take a spacecraft from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena,

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: California, and move it to Florida to get launched? The engineers, the technicians, the quality assurance

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: members of our team are actually getting our spacecraft ready. The process for preparing the

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: spacecraft is really a art form, a dance. One of the things that we have to think about is how

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: we're going to make our spacecraft fit inside of our ship and container. We have to figure out

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: what hardware needs to ship with the main spacecraft and what hardware needs to be taken off like

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: taking off the high gain antenna. One of the things we need to do is lift the spacecraft from its

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: ground support equipment and move it into the ship and get to it. Our multi-mission container was

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: specially designed to carry spacecraft across the country. That means that the temperatures

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: control, the environments controlled how many particles that can be inside are controlled to make

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: sure that our spacecraft stays clean and safe. The spacecraft has an amazing journey once we're

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: in this shipping container. It goes from JPL on a big semi truck and ends up at March Air

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Reserve Base. Once it arrives at March, we unload it and rapidly move it into a C-17 for

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: a flight that will take it to Kennedy Space Center. So the spacecraft isn't the only thing

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: that we actually pack up and ship across the country. There's all these things that we call

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: ground support equipment, GSE that need to go with us. Those help us manage the spacecraft. We have

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: 12 trucks of ground support equipment and then we will have two trucks that support the spacecraft

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: move itself. So a grand total of 14 trucks.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Emotionally, this is one of the scariest periods of time. It's the first time to spacecraft

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: is going from a very, very, very, very controlled environment and going into more of an uncontrolled

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: environment where other human beings are around. Behind the scenes is a lot of engineers that are

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: planning out every step of this process. Lots of members of our assembly tests in launch operations

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: actually uproot their families and moved to Florida for six months. My emotions for Europe

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: a clipper in the spacecraft leaving us bittersweet, I think it's going to feel like if my kids

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: go off to college when the spacecraft was here and Southern California I could come over and visit

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: anytime I wanted to. Now in Florida, it's going to be a little bit more difficult. It's more like

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: getting a phone call every other week but it's going to be exciting too because now our spacecraft

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: is getting ready to do its final dance. It's been ready to graduate and be on its way to do

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: science around Europe. It's a beautiful moon around Japan. And in that report from Masa TV,

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: we heard from Europa Clipper Chief Engineer Kevy Boykens and Europa Clipper Integration Engineer Ben Maddie.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: This is space time. Still to come, space experts Falcon Island launches on hold following a

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: spectacular landing failure and later in the science report, a new study shows that taking a

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: from screen time works wonders for kids mental health, all that and more still to come.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm space time. Space X placed a brief hole on Falcon 9 rocket launches last week after one

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of them caught fire blew up and then fell over as it was attempting to land on a drone ship

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: following what was a successful starlight deployment mission to space. Right now, space

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: is still the only company landing orbital class rockets after use and they've become so good at it,

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: people forget just how revolutionary the feat really is. So when one of them fell to survive the

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: landing, it raises eyebrows. The mission successfully launched another 21-style

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: broadband satellites into orbit. It was a record setting 23rd flight for the same first-stage booster

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: number 1062A which had been flying since November 2020. Following main engine cut off and stayed

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: separation, the booster performed its normal boost back burn and began its journey back to the surface.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything seemed to be going nominally with a landing burn starting on time and the landing

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: leagues deploying just as planned. But that's the rocket touchdown on the drone ship, a short

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: full of gravitas, it appeared to have landed at a slightly higher velocity than normal,

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: causing the landing struts to display out more than usual, resulting in the engine builds appearing

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: to hit the deck. Now that's what it looks like in the video and if that's what actually happened,

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: it could have damaged the motors releasing propellant and that would have explained the bulls of

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: flames separate from the rocket engine burn which we're seeing looking up one side of the booster

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and spilling across the landing pad. Now as the hard landing occurs, one of the landing struts

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: also buckles, causing that landing leg to collapse. Kottoquely the booster then tipped over into

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: cloud of flames. At least that's the way it looks and investigation into the failure is now

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: underway and will give you the results when they come out. But this incident could delay the next

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: schedule launch of a Falcon 9 which would be on the Polaris Dawn mission, that's a mad orbital

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: mission organized by a billionaire entrepreneur Jared Isaacman which will undertake the historic

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: first ever spacewalks by an also-villian crew. The Polaris Dawn launch has already been postponed

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: twice the first time Judo technical issue with a helium leak and then judo bad with the

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: conditions of the planned landing site down range of Cape Canaveral. It's worth pointing out

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the same landing site which the styling booster used. So are we dealing with a case of the

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: swirl being too strong making the landing more violent than it should have been? I guess time will tell

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: this is space time. And time that I take another brief look at some of the other stories making

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: using science this week with the science report. A new study is shown that simply wearing a face mask

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in public places could cut down your risk of common respiratory symptoms by at least 3.2%.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: A reported British medical journal surveyed over 4,500 adults in Norway about their lifestyles,

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: their use of face masks and their risk of infection. And then asked half the participants to

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: wear a face mask when they were out in public enclosed areas such as shopping centres in public

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: transport while the other half were asked to remain mask free. While the mask participants

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: reported lower rates of respiratory symptoms such as runny nose or throat coughing and sneezing,

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: 80 participants also reported filling a bit silly about being the only ones wearing a mask in public.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: While 40 reported filling uncomfortable because of breathing difficulties,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: foggy glasses and poor mask fit which may have also led them to avoid public places anyway.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Despite that it's comforts, you'll also say the results indicate that wearing a face mask in

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: public could be a simple low cost way to reduce your risk of catching a respiratory infection.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: A new study warns that scientists may be missing millions of undescribed

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: extinction prone in six species. A report on the journal insect conservation diversity

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: claims new research suggests that undescribed in six species were significantly smaller,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: less abundant and less widespread than those already known about, making them harder to find

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and more extinction prone. Scientists in Borneo who are collecting revbeels in an area of

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: tropical rainforest found that of the 252 different species of beetle they found, 76%

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: were new to science not having previously been named. And it's not just other places.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: In the wet tropical north of Australia, scientists found that among a hundred and seven species

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: of butt beetles identified 58 were alternate science. A new study is confirmed earlier as

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: search that making kids take a break from screen time works wonders for their mental health.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The findings reported in the journal of the American Medical Association

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: reanalyzed results of previous daily studies which looked at the effects of reducing

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: screen time on kids and teens. They found that a break from screens reduced problematic behavior

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and boosted good behavior. The trials included 89 families with a total of 181 children and

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: adolescents. Screen time was reduced in 45 families or the other discontinued as normal. In the

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: families that curved screen use, the biggest improvements were seen in young people's emotional

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: issues, problems interacting with their peers and in being more caring and sociable towards

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: other people. However, the trial really and he looked at the benefits of reduced screen time

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: in the short term and the authors say future studies should investigate whether these improvements

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: can be sustained with longer-term reductions in screen use. Facebook and Instagram boss Mark Zuckerberg

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: has confirmed that the Joe Biden Kamal Harris White House demanded his company sensor COVID-19

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: content and cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story, falsely claiming that they were missing

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: information. Zuckerberg consequently ordered legitimate debate removed, a count shut down and

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: fair and balanced coverage are the shadowed or silenced. In alerted dated August 26, 2024,

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Zuckerberg told the United States House of Representatives Judiciary Committee that he now regretted

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: not speaking up earlier as well as other decisions he made as the owner of Facebook Instagram

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and WhatsApp around removing content detrimental to the Democrats and the Biden-Harris administration.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, it's not the first time Zuckerberg made the admission. He said pretty much the same thing

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: a few months earlier on Joe Rogan's podcast confirming that he ordered Facebook to restrict

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: this story about Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden's laptop during the 2020 presidential election.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Identical allegations about the Biden-Harris White House were made last year in the Twitter files

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: released to the media by Elon Musk. Commentators say it's more evidence that social media

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: companies have become corrupts of government using their power to spread lies to manipulate the

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: public for political gain. Many American voters say they would have changed their

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: vote in the 2020 presidential election had they known the laptop story was real.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He did discuss Zuckerberg's stunning admission and what it means for social media is technology

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: editor Alex Sahara Wright from TechAdvice. People have respected for a long time that Mark Zuckerberg

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: has not been truthful. He has not been truthful. He has been on the 20 plus year of

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: apology to her for all of the things he's done for planning fastening these with people's

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: information. Even in one of his original leaked SMS style messages with a friend of his

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: when it was called her Facebook but long before it was Facebook itself. He said, look to one of

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: his friends, if you ever need any information on his friends and colleagues at the University

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: was editor, I've got it all, pictures and photos and emails and phone numbers. They've got it.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He's when they were rating females, right? Yeah that's right. Yeah and he said Facebook started

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: or they face it. Yeah, nothing has changed in all this time and he has built a giant

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: type of charge. There should be a trial there should you should be judged before 12 of his

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: peers. I mean if anybody else had done this if he had on Muskadown this I mean there'd be

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: outrage and it's time to stop giving people a free pass just because they happen to be

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: viewing as or the head of a major social media platform. Well they're doing that in France now

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it said on X that have well you know was arrested for not giving up information

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and Max Zuckerberg has telegram. Yeah and telegram is accused by various governments and

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: of other people for not having back doors and I saw him talking to Taka talking about

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it as the FBI wanted him basically to put in back doors, right? Try to bribe or get his lead

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: engineered to become a double agent so they could figure out which open source libraries

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: were being used in the formation of telegram so that the U.S. government and effectively any

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: criminal could then get a back door into the entire system. It started before then because

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: people were noticing that they were being cancelled on Twitter as it was before Elon Musk bought

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: it. They were being cancelled on Facebook I mean they'll be surprised but finally we're seeing

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: some movement at the station and holding some of these people accountable. What Zuckerberg's

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: motivation to come out now? I mean it's almost the October surprise that it's my feeling.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine he's trying to avoid going to jail being arrested.

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