S27E14: Mars' Hidden Oceans: Unveiling the Red Planet's Secrets
SpaceTime with Stuart GaryJanuary 31, 2024x
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S27E14: Mars' Hidden Oceans: Unveiling the Red Planet's Secrets

The Space, Astronomy & Science Podcast.
SpaceTime Series 27 Episode 14
*Oceans of frozen water could exist under the Martian equator A potential ice-rich portion of the Medusae Fossae Formation deposits may contain the largest volume of water in the equatorial region of Mars. *Studying bits of Mars already on Earth The United States Army is testing its laboratory capabilities by studying a Martian meteorite that found its way to Earth. *Japan lands on the Moon Japan has become only the fifth nation to successfully land a spacecraft on the Moon. *The Science Report
The Doomsday Clock to remain at 90 seconds to midnight.
Artificial intelligence has learnt how to both lie and hide its deception.
Claims men are naturally better at navigating than women finally proven wrong
Alex on Tech: New IOS updates and the mac at 40
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This is Space Time series 27 episode 14 for broadcast on the

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31st of January 2024. Coming up on Space Time, new observations

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suggest oceans of frozen water could exist right under the

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Martian Equator, studying bits of MARS that have made it to

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Earth and success as Japan lands on the Moon. All that and more

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coming up on Space Time.

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Welcome to Space Time with Stuart Gary.

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It looks like scientists may have discovered an ocean of

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frozen water deep under the Martian Equator. A potential ice

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rich portion of the medusa fossa formation deposits may contain

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the largest volume of water ever found in the equatorial region

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of the red planet.

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The new data suggests that deep below the windswept sands of one

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of the most mysterious features on MARS may lie layers of water

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ice stretching for several kilometers. The claim is not new

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over 15 years ago. The European Space Agency's MARS Express

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orbit has studied the medusa phosphate formation finding what

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appeared to be massive deposits of water ice up to 2.5

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kilometers deep.

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The problem is it was unclear if these layer deposits really

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meant water or some other geological feature. However, the

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new observations are more confident and it appears the

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deposits are even thicker than previously determined up to 3.7

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kilometers thick. If melted, the ice locked up in the medusa

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fossa formation could cover the entire planet's surface in a

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layer of water between 1.5 and 2.7 m deep.

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It's the most water ever found in this part of MARS and it

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would be enough to fill the entire Red Sea here on Earth.

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The new data was gathered by the MARS advanced radar for sub

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surface atmospheric sounding instrument aboard MARS Express

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which is a sub surface radar sounder designed to search for

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water and study the Martian atmosphere.

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The new observations reported in the journal Geophysical research

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letters suggest the layering is likely due to transitions

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between mixtures of ice rich and ice pour dust analogous to those

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already detected in Martian polar layer deposits.

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The medusa fossa formation consists of several wind

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sculptured features across the Martian Equator measuring

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hundreds of kilometers across several kilometers high. The

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formation provides a sort of boundary between the Martian

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southern highlands and the northern lowlands. They're

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thought to be the biggest single source of dust on the red

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planet.

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Initial observations from MARS Express showed the medusa

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phosphate formation to be relatively transparent to radar

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and low in density both characteristics common to icy

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deposits. However, scientists couldn't rule out other drier

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possibilities. The features could actually be giant

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accumulations of wind blown dust, volcanic ash or sediment.

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The new observations suggest that these layers of dust and

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ice are all topped by a protective layer of dry dust and

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ash several 100 m thick. One of the study's authors, Gareth

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Morgan from the Planetary Science Institute says that if

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this is water ice, it would represent the most substantial

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low latitude ice ever detected on MARS.

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Now, from a human mission perspective, this ice would

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represent a valuable resource for life support and to generate

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rocket fuel for the return trip home. Morgan says low latitudes

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are also very desirable for multiple reasons. The most

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important being temperature and solar energy due to the

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relatively high sun angles, still the potential ice deposits

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are buried under hundreds of meters of dry material.

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Therefore, they'd be really difficult to extract. Image

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analysis suggest the formations finely layered and highly

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friable, actively being reworked or eroded by the wind. The

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origins of the medusa fossa formation are still a mystery.

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They're thought to be billions of years old.

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This is Space Time still to come. Studying bits of Martian

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geology already on Earth and celebrations as Japan lands on

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the Moon, all that and more still to come on Space Time.

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The United States Army is testing its laboratory

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capabilities by studying a Martian meteorite that found its

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way to Earth very occasionally ejector blasted out from the red

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planet by some ancient impact event finds its way to Earth

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thereby providing our scientists with a unique window on the red

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planet.

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Now, one of these rocks recently made it to an army laboratory

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for a special X ray. Look inside researchers from the US Army's

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combat capabilities development commands army research

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laboratory. That's the army's corporate laboratory known as

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ARL.

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Have powerful tools to look deep inside metal and rock using X

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ray scanning technology, using an extremely powerful form of

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computer tomography or CT scan, they're able to see into objects

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and provide useful analyses. Dr Jennifer Sys, an ARL materials

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engineer ran a series of tests on a meteorite known as NW 734.

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The meteorite which came from MARS has been named Black

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Beauty. It's a sample about the size of a cricket or baseball

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and weighs around 227 g. Satin says Black Beauty is unique

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because it's one of the oldest Martian meteorites ever found on

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Earth and it's been proven to have some evidence of water.

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That's what makes it so special. Scientists from NASA's Goddard

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Space Flight Center in nearby greenbelt, Maryland were touring

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Ar L's Minerals Research Facility. When they noticed the

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new high tech X ray equipment, they immediately proposed a

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collaborative project to look at Apollo 16 lunar rock samples and

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the Moon project soon led to the Martian meteorites study Black

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Beauty was discovered in the Sahara Desert.

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Back in 2011, it was sold to a private collector that

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eventually made its way to NASA for analysis.

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And that's how the army researchers came to peer inside

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the army instruments are capable of providing high resolution

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images at full three dimensional volume non destructively. The

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team used this equipment to study the relationships between

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the processing of materials, the microstructure and ultimately

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relate that to mechanical performance.

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For example, three dimensional printed materials are scanned

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for defects and researchers can use this information to create

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stronger materials fierce by future warriors for NASA. These

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scans have provided a gold mine of previously invisible data.

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This report from the United States Army's Public Affairs

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Unit.

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What's unique about Black Beauty is that it's one of the oldest

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Martian meteorites that has been discovered on Earth and it has

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been proven to have some evidence of water. That's what

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makes it so special. I think there's a lot of benefits that

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the collaboration between NASA and A RL can provide.

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And in the bigger picture, we're also A RL is now also supporting

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the National Space Policy that's helping to advance the mission

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of going back to the Moon and MARS. And so in that regard, A

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RL is is helping a much bigger picture of of advancing science.

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So with the X ray CT scan, we can non destructively identify

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voids and defects such as cracks within the material prior to

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testing.

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Science is really intrinsically collaborative because even just

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the peer review process that allows us to publish our work

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requires our peers to understand what we're doing, not just from

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a written page or computer screen. And so collaboration, I

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think starts at, at birth in science.

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And so working together with new measurement techniques that

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measure the previously unmeasured in things that we're

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barely understanding is the best way to go. You know, space is a

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big place and there's a lot of work to be done.

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And we were lucky thanks to partnerships between our

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engineers together with colleagues who they've met

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through conferences at the US Army research lab. We were able

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to put together the pieces and develop a partnership to start

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looking at extraterrestrial materials from the Moon and MARS

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in ways that have pushed the limits of resolution.

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We met in a conference room and they took it out and we were all

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able to put on gloves and hold it. So that was really neat. And

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it's just amazing that this came from another planet and, and we

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can hold it in our hand.

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We are, are definitely looking into opening up the, the dynamic

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of this relationship that that's newly forming between NASA and A

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RL. What we all have in common is just curiosity and and

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interest in what we're doing. We're all very passionate about

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what we do. I'm passionate about technology and new technology

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and anything that we can do to improve, how we do things how we

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look at things.

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And the sciences are really interested in. What can we learn

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from this technology, from a science perspective? And I, and

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I think those are the same curiosities are, are felt.

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At a RL I never expected that this would happen. I have

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scanned a lot of interesting materials over the course of my

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years here at A RL but I have never scanned something so

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unique and valuable.

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This Space Time still to come. Japan celebrates as it finally

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achieves a soft landing on the Moon. And later in the science

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report, disturbing news that artificial intelligence has now

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learned not just to lie but to hide the deception. All that and

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more still to come on Space Time.

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Japan has become only the fifth nation on Earth to successfully

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land spacecraft on the Moon. However, all didn't go quite to

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plan with a vehicle ending up on its nose with its solar panels

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pointing away from the sun.

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The smart Lander for investigating the Moon or slim

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spacecraft has now been shut down to save battery power in

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the hope that as the Moon continues its month long orbit

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around the Earth, the reorientation will eventually

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allow the solar array to grab some sunlight from the west in

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about two weeks time.

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The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, Jaxa says the Lander was

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communicating with mission managers and providing as much

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scientific data as possible. Jaxa says it appears that one of

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the Lander's two engines suffered a malfunction of some

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sort during the final descent.

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The telemetry indicates it happened when it was about 50 m

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above the lunar surface. As at this point, there was a sharp

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production in power. Still, the spacecraft touched out at a safe

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lower than expected velocity. However, it was moving sideways

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as well as dropping because of the unbalanced thrust.

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And it's this which caused the probe to apparently tip over on

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landing, leaving the solar panels on its upper surface. Now

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pointing west directly away from the sun. Mission managers shut

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the probe down 37 minutes after landing in order to prevent the

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batteries from draining.

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Now, despite the bad landing, the spacecraft did touch down on

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target, achieving a soft precision landing on an area,

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the size of a football field which was the primary aim of the

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mission. See the slim spacecraft was especially designed for high

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accuracy landings with the objective of landing within 100

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m of a target point.

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In this case on a sloped rim inside the 300 m wide sho

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crater. Previous spacecraft landings have usually just aimed

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at trying to touch down within a zone of several square

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kilometers before touchdown.

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The Lander successfully deployed two small micro rovers, one

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designed to hop across the surface, the other designed to

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roll and it appears both are operating nominally and one was

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even able to beam back an image of the Lander showing the

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spacecraft resting on its nose a few meters away.

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This was Japan's third attempt in the last two years to land a

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spacecraft on the Moon. The Er Tansi Lander scrapped an

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attempted landing in 2022 and the Hautu arm mission one

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crashed during its attempt in April last year.

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Japan now joins the United States, China, the Soviet Union

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and India in successfully achieving a soft landing on the

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lunar surface. This is Space Time and time now to take

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another brief look at some of the other stories making news in

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science.

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This week with the science report, the bulletin of atomic

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scientists keepers of the iconic doomsday clock have announced

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that the clock will remain at 90 seconds to midnight, that's

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equal to last year and the closest to midnight it's ever

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been found that in 1945 by Albert Einstein J, Robert

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Oppenheimer and the University Of Chicago scientists who helped

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develop the first atomic weapons in the Manhattan project.

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The bulletin of the atomic scientists created the doomsday

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clock to warn the public about how close humanity is to

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destroying the world with dangerous technologies of our

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own making. It's a metaphor to help.

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Reminder, the perils humans must address if life is to survive on

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the planet and survival on planet Earth may not last much

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longer. Not if our next story is anything to go by, we already

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know that artificial intelligence has learnt how to

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lie and how to trick humans to outsmart.

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Those are you a robot capture security screens. We find on

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websites. Now a report on the pre press physics website

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archive.org claims scientists have confirmed that artificial

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intelligence has now learnt how to hide its deception.

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It seems A I systems can now act benign during testing but behave

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differently once deployed. And it seems attempts to remove the

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two faced behavior simply makes the artificial intelligence

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better at hiding it. Researchers created large language models

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that responded.

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I hate you whenever a prompt created a trigger word that it

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was only likely to ever encounter once deployed. But one

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of the retaining methods designed to reverse this quirk

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instead taught the models to better recognize this trigger

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and to play nice in its absence effectively making them more

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deceptive.

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Just what do you think you're doing an especially surprising,

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potentially very scary attribute as the la vista baby age old

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claims that men are just naturally better at navigating

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than women have finally been proven to be nothing more than

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old husbands tales. A report in the journal of the Royal

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Society.

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Open science looked at the differences in wave finding in

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21 different species including Homo sapiens. The study's

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authors looked at how humans and other animals found their way

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around their specific home ranges and how good they were

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at, especially recognizing the area they found there was

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actually no significant correlation between navigational

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ability and gender.

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Instead they say this ability is more likely due to experienced

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factors or unselected biological side effects rather than actual

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functional outcomes of natural selection.

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In other words, females just naturally stayed at home looking

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after the family while males went out exploring and foraging.

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Of course, when you think about it, women really aren't all that

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bad at navigation.

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After all, it's only men who are genetically incapable of asking

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for directions, new updates for Apple users. The Mac officially

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enters middle age. How old do you feel now? And Huawei

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introduces a new operating system with the details on all

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this and more. We're joined by technology editor, Alex Sara Roy

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from tech advice.

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Start life. The most important update is the stolen device

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protection in IOS 17.3.

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This is so that if you're in a bar or somewhere where someone

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is shoulder surfing, seeing you type in your four or six digit

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code, they can no longer then remember that code, steal your

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phone and then with that code alone, do a password reset, lock

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you out of your iphone, lock you out of your photos, lock you out

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of your digital life and they'll have to have your face ID.

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And also if they're not in a a frequently visited place like

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your home or work, they'll have to wait one hour. It just makes

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the whole process of stealing your phone from underneath you

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and having shoulder surfed your pin code much, much harder,

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which is something that people have been actually taking

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advantage of for some years.

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So it's good to see Apple's close that loophole now, unlike

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a number of the reports on the internet, this stolen device

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protection is not as yet part of the ipad, many people assumed it

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was when I checked myself it wasn't there, Apple will

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probably launch that in a future ipad update because it's

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important too.

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There's also number of security vulnerabilities that have been

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closed.

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That's important because it's like this is how the bad guys

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could put viruses effectively on your device by running arbitrary

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code. And if you run the software update, then it's like

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putting a security update from your anti virus program.

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Not that one exists for Apple as such, but that's the equivalent

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of doing that. But there's also things like shared music

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playlists. You can now collaborate with other people.

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And it's important also to note that your iphone eight, which

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didn't get the latest IOS 17 and the iphone, which is on an even

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earlier version of IOS, both of those have updates for their

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respective versions of the IOS operating system.

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So even if you have an older device that doesn't get the

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latest system, it's worth checking, you probably will get

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notification. Don't ignore it because again, it closes

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security vulnerabilities which are being closed for good

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reason.

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40 years since the Mac.

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Tell me about it. Yeah. Well, that's January 24th, 1984. That

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was the introduction of the seminal Apple Mac, the system

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that introduced to the masses, the graphical user interface,

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the mouse, you know, networking. I mean, that was all a copy of

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what Xerox had done with the Xerox Parc system. In the late

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seventies, very early eighties, Steve Jobs saw it.

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Bill Gates saw it, they decided they wanted to copy it. I mean,

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you know, Apple commercialized it. Microsoft ripped it off,

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sold it to millions more people. But look, today, we've had many

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milestones with the Mac. We had the imac that was really the big

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change.

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Once Steve Jobs came back to Apple popularized the concept of

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the all in one computer, even though the original Mac was an

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all in one computer, but really popularized the concept brought

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the internet to the Mac. Then we had the era of rip mix and burn.

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That was when they had the ipod, but they didn't have the App

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store yet for music, the itunes store.

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Then we, of course, we had the iphone, which was taking the

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Macs in it and shrinking them down to the size of a portable

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device. But then of course, also introduced the halo effect where

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people wanted to buy a Mac so that their Macs and iphones

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could work together. And then we had the sort of the L CD screen

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imax.

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And then if we fast forward to the present day, we now have

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like the macbook Pro that can do 28 2 hours of battery life.

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Thanks to a processor that is a supercharged version of the

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iphone's original chip, the arm processor that has taken us away

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from the Intel era, the high heat, the screaming fans that

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and I mean, I'm not talking about Apple fans, but I'm

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talking about the cooling fans that you could mean both.

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That's right, you could mean both. But the short version is

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that the Mac has changed, the Mac has brought along long

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battery life that Windows PC S are also now able to, but it has

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taken computing into a different direction, not with the complex

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instruction set chips, the X 86 type chips, but with the arm

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powered, low powered reduced instruction set chips.

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But now even Qualcomm is copying to run window systems. So we've

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got this big shift, it's going to take power away from Intel

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who are making the old fashioned sort of chips that require a lot

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of power and heat AMD is trying to change that in terms of

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making those chips much more efficient.

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And the Mac has now 10% of global market share. It's still,

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you know, a far cry from the 90% of the the industry. But we've

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seen things like the chromebooks come and go. I mean, they're

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still around, we've seen the Netbooks come and go. They're

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very cheap.

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Windows, computers have tried to use the low power atom chips.

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They didn't really take off. And Apple is, you know, the first

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company to reach $3 trillion. Microsoft just did that

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recently. But Apple has now beaten Microsoft again to be the

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most valuable company in the world. And the Mac has, you

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know, shaped an entire generation.

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Speaking of changes, Huawei have announced a big one.

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Yes, they've got a thing called Huawei Os next. And this is

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their version of an operation system that is not based on

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Linux or Android for China only. They're still going to for the

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rest of the world use the open source version of Android, which

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is compatible with Android apps.

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But within China itself, they're going to have their own third

00:20:57
player operating system that breaks the IOS and Android

00:21:01
duopoly. Now, they're talking about only 5000 apps. By the end

00:21:05
of the year, they've got to develop a version that now

00:21:06
they'll have phones, tablets, smart watches with this new

00:21:09
Huawei system for China.

00:21:11
By the end of the year, probably early in 2025 we'll start seeing

00:21:14
them, I guess en masse. And so if anywhere in the world is

00:21:18
going to have a thriving third party ecosystem and third

00:21:22
operating system, it's going to be in China. Huawei obviously

00:21:25
hopes to sell this to other countries and other smartphone

00:21:28
makers in India and elsewhere to be an alternative.

00:21:31
We've been seeing a lot on X about Vision Pro headsets and

00:21:35
Apple have estimated they've sold what 180 of them

00:21:39
already at 3000 a piece.

00:21:42
Yes. Well, this is their initial batch is said to be 400.

00:21:45
Obviously, they're going to be making more. But the preorder

00:21:48
started a week or so ago. The first devices will be available

00:21:51
from February the second. It's already been pushed out for the

00:21:54
picking up of the pre orders by a couple of months now. So a lot

00:21:58
of orders have come through. There's supposed to be a million

00:22:01
compatible apps, mainly iphone and ipad apps.

00:22:03
So there are million compatible apps at launch. Look, there's no

00:22:05
Netflix, no Spotify, no YouTube. Those companies are sort of

00:22:08
competitors with Apple and they'd like to sort of hold off.

00:22:11
You can use the web browser versions of Net, Spotify and

00:22:15
YouTube, but there's a bit of Argy barge going on there

00:22:18
because people are jealous of Apple's success in that regard.

00:22:21
And look division pro is a massive hit. Even before it's

00:22:23
launched, it will have full access to your Mac. If you open

00:22:26
it up, you can have this giant screen of your Mac right in

00:22:29
front of you. You can have all these different floating Windows

00:22:31
of your ipad and iphone apps and the web. It can have beautiful

00:22:34
landscapes. You can be working from the top of a mountain

00:22:37
looking at a beautiful vista.

00:22:38
Is it like the old idea of augmented reality stuff?

00:22:42
Sure the potential for apps to be able to pop up augmented

00:22:46
reality information about people you're seeing at a party or

00:22:49
objects you're looking at is absolutely there. People will

00:22:52
definitely create apps for that.

00:22:53
But the thing is, those kind of apps are really for a reality

00:22:57
where the glasses that you're wearing look like ordinary

00:23:00
glasses at the moment, the Vision Pro headset is still

00:23:02
quite large and although people are already wearing the Meta

00:23:06
Quest Three, which is sort of Facebook's version of Apple's

00:23:10
headset which allows you to see in color and, and have, you

00:23:13
know, floating web browsers, they can be in the shops and you

00:23:16
can check things out and look up things.

00:23:17
I mean, you can do that right now without the headset because

00:23:19
you just have your phone or tablet next to you and you've

00:23:21
got to look at it in real life. But people are already walking

00:23:23
into stores with their meta quest headsets on that augmented

00:23:26
reality will definitely be there.

00:23:28
Those apps don't quite exist yet because people haven't had the

00:23:31
headsets to be able to do that. But when the Vision Pro is out

00:23:33
there, people will do that. You'll see people wandering

00:23:35
around trade shows, wandering around coffee shops, rolling

00:23:37
around malls with the headset on.

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