S27E31: Cosmic Graveyard: The Enigma of the Universe's Oldest Dead Galaxy
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S27E31: Cosmic Graveyard: The Enigma of the Universe's Oldest Dead Galaxy

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SpaceTime Series 27 Episode 31
*The Enigma of the Universe's Oldest Dead Galaxy
In a universe brimming with stellar birth, astronomers have stumbled upon a galaxy that ceased forming stars over 13 billion years ago. This ancient cosmic graveyard, captured by the Webb Space Telescope, is challenging our understanding of galactic life cycles. The galaxy, which experienced a rapid starburst before falling eerily silent, offers a tantalizing glimpse into the early universe's dynamics. Join us as we unravel the mystery of this prematurely quenched galaxy and its implications for cosmic evolution.
*SpaceX's Starship: Gearing Up for the Next Giant Leap
SpaceX has eyes set on March 14 for the next monumental test flight of its colossal Starship Super Heavy rocket. With the goal of reaching orbital heights and splashing down in the Indian Ocean, this mission is critical for the future of space exploration. The success of Starship is not only pivotal for NASA's Artemis moon missions but also for Elon Musk's vision of interplanetary travel. Tune in as we dissect the challenges and aspirations of this groundbreaking space endeavor.
*Optimus: Australia's Trailblazing Satellite Servicer Takes Flight
The Australian-based Space Machines Company celebrates a milestone as their Optimus satellite servicing vehicle successfully orbits Earth. This pioneering mission introduces a new chapter in space operations, offering life extension services and on-orbit assistance. Discover how Optimus is setting the stage for a more sustainable and efficient presence in the final frontier.
*2024: A Stellar Year for Skywatchers
From a total solar eclipse to a parade of supermoons, 2024 is shaping up to be an astronomer's delight. With a penumbral lunar eclipse and the potential brilliance of a new comet on the horizon, the cosmos is putting on a show. We'll discuss the celestial events that have astronomers and enthusiasts alike marking their calendars.
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(00:00) This is spacetime series 27, episode 31, for broadcast on 11 March 2024
(00:50) Astronomers find galaxy that suddenly stopped forming new stars 13 billion years ago
(11:45) Next month's total solar eclipse will not be a full lunar eclipse
(14:58) As a professional astronomer and astrophysicist, what does the night sky evoke
(17:40) Professor Richard degrasse's research focuses on distant star clusters
(20:31) World Meteorological Organisation says current El Nino event is one of strongest
(21:41) Combination of two antibodies shows promising results against solid tumours
(23:04) A new story making the rounds claims a painting is haunted

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This is Space Time Series 27 Episode 31, for broadcast on the

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11th of March 2024. Coming up on Space Time, The oldest dead

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galaxy ever seen, raising new questions about galactic

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evolution. SpaceX looking at March 14 for the next Starship

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test launch. And the Optimus satellite launches, marking a

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new era for Australia and satellite servicing. All that

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and more coming up. I'm Space Time.

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Welcome to Space Time with Stuart Gary.

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Astronomers have found a galaxy that suddenly stopped forming

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new stars more than 13 billion years ago. The study's authors,

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using the Webb Space Telescope, spotted the dead galaxy at a

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time when the universe was just 700 million years old, making it

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the oldest such galaxy ever observed. The galaxy appears to

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have lived fast and died young.

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Star formation happened quickly and then stopped almost just as

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quickly. And that's totally unexpected for a time so early

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in the evolution of the universe. The study's authors

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say it's still unclear whether the galaxy's quenched state is

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temporary or permanent, or for that matter, what caused it to

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stop forming stars in the first place.

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The discovery, reported in the journal Nature, could be

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important to help astronomers understand how and why galaxies

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stop forming new stars, and whether the factors affecting

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star formation have changed over the years.

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The study's lead author, Tobias Looser, from the Kavli Institute

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For Cosmology, says the first few hundred million years of the

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universe was a very active phase, with lots of gas clouds

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collapsing to form new stars. He says galaxies need a rich supply

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of gas to form stars, and the early universe was like an

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all-you-can-eat buffet.

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See, it's normally only much later in the evolution of the

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universe that we start to see galaxies stop forming new stars,

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whether that's due to a black hole... Or something else like a

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gravitational perturbation. Astronomers believe star

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formation can be slowed or stopped by different factors,

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all of which will starve a galaxy of the gas it needs to

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form new stars.

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Internal factors, such as a supermassive black hole, or some

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sort of feedback from star formation, can push gas out of a

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galaxy, causing star formation to stop rapidly. Alternatively,

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gas can simply be consumed very quickly by star formation

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without being promptly replenished by fresh gas from

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the surrounding galaxy.

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That results in galaxy starvation. But the authors

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aren't sure if any of these scenarios can explain the Webb

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observations. Until now, to understand the early universe,

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astronomers have relied on models, well, let's face it,

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they're based on what we see in the modern day universe today.

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But now that astronomers are seeing so much further back in

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space-time thanks to Webb, and they've observed that star

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formation was quenched so rapidly in this galaxy, models

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based on the modern universe will need to be revised. The

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authors determined that the galaxy did experience a short

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and intense period of star formation over somewhere between

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30 and 90 million years.

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But between 10 and 20 million years before that point in time,

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when it was observed by Webb, star formation had suddenly

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stopped. Luce says it seems that everything happened faster and

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more dramatically in the early universe, and that might include

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galaxies moving from a star formation phase to a dormant or

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quenched phase.

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Astronomers have previously observed dead galaxies in the

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early universe, but this galaxy is the oldest so far, just 700

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million years after the Big Bang, some 13.8 billion years

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ago. In addition to being the oldest, this galaxy is also

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relatively low in mass.

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It's about the same size as the Small Magellanic Cloud, a

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satellite dwarf galaxy orbiting our own galaxy, the Milky Way.

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Although it's worth pointing out that the Small Magellanic Cloud

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is still forming new stars.

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Other quenched galaxies in the early universe have always been

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far more massive, but Webb's improved sensitivity allows

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smaller and fainter galaxies to be observed and analysed.

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Studies authors say although it appears to be dead at the time

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of the observation, the It's possible that in the 13.1

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billion years since, this galaxy may have come back to life and

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started forming new stars again.

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The team are now looking for other galaxies just like this

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one in the early universe, which will help place constraints on

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how and why galaxies stop forming new stars. It could be a

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case that galaxies in the early universe die and then burst back

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into life, but the study's authors will need more

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observations to help them figure that one out.

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This is Space Time. Still to come, SpaceX looking at March 14

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for their next Starship test flight, and Australian-based

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Space Machines Company say their Optimus satellite servicing

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vehicle has safely reached orbit and is operational. All that and

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more still to come on Space Time.

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SpaceX is looking at March 14th as the likely earliest date for

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the third launch attempt of the Company's massive new Starship

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Super Heavy rocket. The Starship Super Heavy is the world's

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biggest and most powerful rocket.

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It stands some 121 metres in height and generates some 16.7

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million pounds, that's 74.3 meganewtons of thrust, almost

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double that of the world's second most powerful rocket,

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NASA's SLS or Space Launch System Orion moon rocket. The

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new test flight from SpaceX's Starbase launch complex at Boca

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Chica in Texas will try to achieve orbital altitude before

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splashing down in the Indian Ocean.

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And that's different from the previous two launch attempts,

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both of which were aiming for a Pacific Ocean splashdown north

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of Hawaii. SpaceX were forced to issue a self-destruct order to

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blow up the launch vehicle during the first test flight

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back in April 2023, after the Starship upper stage failed to

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separate from the Super Heavy core stage four minutes into the

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flight.

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Several of the Super Heavy's Raptor engines failed to light

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up during the flight, possibly due to damage caused by debris

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thrown up by the rocket's thrust blasting the launch pad into

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bits.

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The lack of engines during ascent meant the rocket simply

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failed to reach the speed and altitude needed for a successful

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stage separation. Instead, it entered an uncontrolled spin

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before stage separation due to loss of thrust vector control,

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triggering the activation of the flight termination system.

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The second flight back in November last year lasted a

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little bit longer with stage separation using the hot staging

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technique successfully undertaken. The launch also saw

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the introduction of a new water deluge system as part of the

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ground support equipment at the launch pad. The good news is

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that during the climb to orbit, all 33 Raptor engines continued

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to fire for their full flight duration.

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But after hot staging separation and the initiation of the flip

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maneuver and boost back burn, several core stage booster

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engines began shutting down. That was expected, but one of

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them suddenly exploded, resulting in the destruction of

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the core stage. The failure was eventually traced to a filler

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blockage.

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That led to inadequate inlet pressure in the engine oxidizer

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turbopumps. Meanwhile, the upper stage, or Starship, continued to

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ascend to orbit, flying for a total of seven minutes until a

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leak developed in the aft section while a planned liquid

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oxygen venting was underway.

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That triggered a combustion event which interrupted

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communications between the spacecraft's flight computers,

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causing a full engine shutdown. And that triggered the

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autonomous self-destruct system to initiate. Flight termination

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happened just as Starship reached an altitude of 150km and

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a velocity of 24km per hour.

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The thing is, Starship becoming operational plays an important

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part in NASA's Artemis man-moon project. That's because a

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specially modified version of Starship, called the HLS, will

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be used as a lunar shuttle in 2026, rendezvousing and docking

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with an Orion capsule in cislunar orbit, and then

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transporting the Artemis III crew and their equipment down to

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the lunar surface and back up again.

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So, not only will SpaceX need to show that it can launch, fly and

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land Starship safely, it will need to prove that it can do so

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multiple times, as several tanker versions of Starship will

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also need to be launched in order to refuel the lunar

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version of the spacecraft in Earth orbit for its mission to

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the moon.

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For SpaceX boss Elon Musk, it's all part of a much bigger

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picture. Musk sees the Super Heavy Lift Starship as a

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colonial transport system, eventually replacing the Falcon

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9 and the Dragon capsule to carry humans not just to orbit

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or the moon, but onto Mars and beyond. Musk believes that

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mankind needs to establish a second permanent colony in

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space.

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With all humans living just on the Earth, It's a case of all

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our eggs being in the one basket. And that's where the

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Super Heavy Starship comes in. It can carry 100 people or 100

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tons into orbit in one go, and therefore will play a crucial

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role in setting up colonies on other worlds. This Space Time.

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Still to come, Australian-based Space Machines Company say their

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Optimus satellite servicing vehicle is safely in orbit and

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operational. And 2024 is proving to be a spectacular year for

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skywatchers, with highlights including next month's total

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solar eclipse across North America and a series of four

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supermoons in succession in August, September, October and

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November. All that and more still to come on Space Time.

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Thank Australian-based Space Machines Company say their

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Optimus satellite servicing vehicle is safely in orbit and

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operational. The spacecraft was flown into orbit aboard a Falcon

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9 rocket from the Vandenberg Space Force Base in California

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as part of SpaceX's Transporter 10 mission.

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Following its deployment from the Falcon 9 upper stage, the

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270kg satellite will fly to its planned orbital slot and

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undertake a full testing campaign. Optimus is the first

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Australian commercial satellite to provide life extension

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services, inspections and on-orbit assistance to existing

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orbital spacecraft.

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Space Machines Company says it plans to expand its orbital

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servicing vehicle fleet with further spacecraft launches.

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This is Space Time. Still to come! 2024 proved to be a

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spectacular year for astronomy, with highlights including next

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month's total solar eclipse in North America and a series of no

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less than four supermoons in a row between August and November.

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And later in the Science Report, the World Meteorological

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Organization says the current El Niño event is one of the five

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strongest on record. All that and more still to come on Space

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Time.

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Well, it seems 2024 is proving to be a spectacular year for sky

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watchers, with highlights including next month's total

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solar eclipse across North America on April 8th. The lunar

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eclipse, which normally comes either two weeks before or after

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it, will be a bit of a dumper this year, because it won't be a

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full lunar eclipse. Instead, the event on March 25th will be a

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penumbral lunar eclipse.

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That means the full moon will move through the faint outer

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part of Earth's shadow known as Penumbra. Macquarie University

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astrophysicist Professor Richard Grace says this type of eclipse

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is not as dramatic as the full or even partial lunar eclipse,

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but it's still worth a look. Grace says other highlights of

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2024 will include a series of four supermoons in succession on

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August 20, September 18, October 17 and November 16.

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The concept of a supermoon is in essence that the moon is close

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to the sun. To us on its orbit around the Earth. The orbit is

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not entirely circular, so sometimes it gets a bit closer,

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sometimes a bit more distant. When it's a full moon, and the

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moon is at its closest approach, it's called a supermoon, and we

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have four of those in succession this year, in August, September,

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October, and November.

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It's not that spectacular if you just look at the moon high in

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the sky, but if the moon is close to the horizon, closest to

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moonrise or moonset, and you look at it, it might look a bit

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bigger, and that's more like... More psychological effects, but

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at least if you know, then it might seem like it.

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Now, we also have a blue new moon. A blue moon means that we

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have two full moons during a month. And so blue moons happen

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occasionally, but this year we have a new moon. So we have two

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new moons happening during the month. One is on the 1st of

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December. And one on the 31st of December. Now, new moons are

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obviously very difficult to see.

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We can see Andromeda from where we are in this part of the

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world.

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Andromeda is visible from Australia. This could not be a

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problem. One could read binoculars, though, because it's

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very difficult to see with the naked eye. Rather impossible and

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have very good eyesight. And Andromeda is best visible in the

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latter half of the, latter quarter of the year, from

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October to December.

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It's the closest large galaxy to the Milky Way. It's similar,

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perhaps bigger, perhaps more massive than Our Milky Way. And

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so best visibility is, of course, when there is no moon.

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It has to be dark, otherwise you won't see it. And it's

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relatively close to the northern horizon.

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Well, as I said, it's probably slightly larger and more massive

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than the Milky Way, with lots of stars, but it's... Quite far

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away, and those stars are spread over a fairly large area, and so

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individual stars themselves don't contribute too much at the

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distance of the Earth. But together, it's like a plane,

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supposedly, at the distance of about 2.5 million light years.

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And, of course, it's getting a little bit closer every day.

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Well, it is getting a bit closer every day, but we have to wait

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about 4.5 billion years before we really work with the

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Andromeda Galaxy. So there is no danger of a collision anytime

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soon.

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As a professional astronomer and astrophysicist, when you look up

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at the night sky, what does it make you feel?

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It doesn't matter whether you're a professional or amateur, I

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think. When you look up at the night sky, you're often captured

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by a sense of awe of what's out there, particularly when it's

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dark, of course, and you see all those objects, the stars, the

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galaxies, and you know what's out there, right? So I'm not

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really a planetary astronomer, but I find it...

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Cool to see the individual planets or, you know, get a pair

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of binoculars and look at the moon. That's all fantastic to

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see. I don't study it, but it's just a feeling that is far away

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and that you're only a very significant part out there in

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the universe. That's quite a... Quite a feeling I think. That's

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actually what attracted me in the first place.

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I love looking at the night sky from rural and country settings

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because you see so much more than you do from the city. The

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first thing I do is I either look for the Southern Cross or I

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look for Orion because I use those as my sort of anchor

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points. From there I can work my way across the sky.

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For me it's usually Orion. I come originally from the

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northern hemisphere so the Great Bear is more familiar than the

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Southern Cross to me. But Orion is visible from both the

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northern and southern hemisphere. So Orion, although

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to me it looks upside down, it's for me a great anchor point.

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And if you look hard at the middle star in Orion's sword,

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you can see it's fuzzy. You can see it's not a star.

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Yeah, just below the belt of Orion, or above it actually from

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the perspective of us here in the southern hemisphere, is a

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fuzzy blob that's called the Orion Nebula. It's probably the

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nearest region where stars are being formed. It's a stellar

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nursery. That's an area of research interest of my group

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actually. So that's actually the closest area that we really

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study in any detail.

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It's a spectacular region with...

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Yes, and you can see it fairly well by using a pair of

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binoculars or a small telescope. And so I recommend that people

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do so. Now don't be disappointed because on all those pictures on

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public outreach websites, you have the most spectacular

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colours, all kinds of reds, but...

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In actual fact, when you look through a piece of equipment

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like binoculars, you don't see those colours very brightly,

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because your eyes are not that sensitive to colours at night.

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Everyone wants to buy a telescope to look at the night

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sky, but you don't need that. You just need an armchair and

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binoculars and that's all.

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Well, it depends on what you want to look for, but binoculars

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are a good starting point, particularly for the moon, which

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I wouldn't really look at through a telescope, because the

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telescope only shows you a very small fraction of the sky.

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Binoculars are much better.

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The nearby planets can be done with binoculars as well. But if

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you look at these conjunctions of planets, you don't even need

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equipment. And meteor showers, you shouldn't need equipment

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because you won't be able to see them.

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What are you working on now?

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My group is working on the contents of very dense groups of

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stars, which we call star clusters. And at the moment, I'm

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working with a PhD student in India, working on ultraviolet

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observations, satellite observations, with the Indian

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UVIT satellite. To try and understand how those stars

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formed and how they will eventually evolve.

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Do you believe globular clusters are all groups of stars born at

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the same time, or are some of them the cause of other

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galaxies?

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That's a very good question, actually. The majority of

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globular clusters in Our Milky Way, and it's about 160 to 170

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or so, are groups of very old stars that formed roughly at the

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same time. Different stellar masses form at slightly

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different times, but the differences are no more than a

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few hundred thousand years.

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Well, their ages are billions of years, so for all practical

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purposes they're formed at the same time.

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A few of them, however, might be the skipped course of what we

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call dwarf galaxies, and one of them is the object Omega

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Centauri, which is often portrayed as the largest, most

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massive globular cluster in the Milky Way, but it is likely that

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it was actually the core of a dwarf galaxy that no longer has

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the disk of stars around it. And that's based on observations

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that there are.

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Multiple chemical compositions of stars inside of that object.

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Let's call it the cluster. And that is an unlikely result of

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stellar evolution. We need to have multiple episodes of star

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formation to form different chemical compositions, and most

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likely, therefore, that object is the core of a galaxy.

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It's all in the metallicity.

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Different metallicities, yes.

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What are you looking forward to the most this year?

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As I mentioned earlier, I like deep-sky objects. It's cool to

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look at planets and the moon, but my research really is on

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much more distant objects. And there's a couple of them that we

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can see this year. We talked about the Nucleus as a galaxy

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visible during the winter, high up overhead. Of course, the

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Milky Way has a central dark area known as the Emo in the sky

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by Aboriginal people.

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Best visible in June, high up in the sky at that time. And we

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talked about the Andromeda Galaxy, which is an object that

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I'm quite favorable of. But then, toward the end of the

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year, we might have a spectacular object, but it's not

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clear yet. In January last year, 2023, an object was discovered

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that is likely to become a comet. And that comet... It has

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the cryptic name C-2026A3, also known as Cuchin San Atlas.

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It will have its closest approach to Earth on the 13th of

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October at 71 million kilometers, but it will be best

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visible if it develops a tail, and we don't know that yet.

00:20:18
About a week later, because the moon intervenes in the meantime.

00:20:20
So late October, if that comet really develops a spectacular

00:20:24
tail, that should be quite a spectacle to look for on the

00:20:27
sky.

00:20:28
That's Professor Richard DeGrasse from Macquarie

00:20:30
University. And this is Space Time.

00:20:47
Time now to take a brief look at some of the other stories making

00:20:49
news in science this week with the Science Report.

00:20:53
The World Meteorological Organization says this current

00:20:56
El Niño event is one of the five strongest on record. Scientists

00:21:01
say the event peaked in December and has been gradually weakening

00:21:04
ever since. However, they say it will continue to influence

00:21:08
global climate over the coming months.

00:21:11
Meteorologists say a combination of El Niño and climate change

00:21:15
has led to record temperatures on land and extreme events,

00:21:19
while ocean temperatures have also hit record highs.

00:21:22
Scientists say there's a 60% chance of El Niño persisting

00:21:26
until May and an 80% chance of neutral conditions, neither El

00:21:30
Niño or La Niña, in April to June. But they are also warning

00:21:35
that there is a chance of a La Niña event later in the year,

00:21:38
but the odds are currently uncertain.

00:21:42
An early stage clinical trial has shown that a combination of

00:21:45
two antibodies which target and boost the immune system are

00:21:48
showing promising results against hard-to-treat solid

00:21:51
tumors. The findings reported in the journal Cancer say the drugs

00:21:56
known as CS1002 and CS1003 were trialed in patients with

00:22:02
multiple types of cancer including melanoma, lung cancer

00:22:05
and liver cancer.

00:22:07
The trials, which were split into three parts, found that in

00:22:10
61 patients who received the drug in their third stage, 37.7%

00:22:16
had a positive response. The study also found that the drugs

00:22:20
had a manageable safety profile. The authors say this early stage

00:22:24
trial supports the idea of further assessment of the

00:22:27
combination of different drugs for the treatment of solid

00:22:30
tumors.

00:22:32
New biosensing technology has made it possible to create gene

00:22:36
testing strips that rival conventional lab-based testing

00:22:40
quality. A report in the journal Nature Communications claims the

00:22:44
test can easily detect specific gene sequences in a sample, but

00:22:48
unlike PCR, it can be done at room temperatures, using a test

00:22:52
that looks exactly like the well-known rat COVID test.

00:22:55
The authors say the test could transform human and animal

00:22:58
infection control, as well as quarantine and biodiversity

00:23:02
conservation efforts.

00:23:05
A new story making the rounds acclaims that a painting dubbed

00:23:09
the Rain Woman is the world's most haunted picture. Now

00:23:13
according to believers the artist who created the painting

00:23:16
felt something strange happening in the six months before

00:23:19
painting it.

00:23:20
It was in 1996 when she first started noticing flashes of

00:23:24
light in the corner of her eye but when she turned to look

00:23:27
nothing was there. But still, she felt something was always

00:23:31
watching. Now, once completed, the arts put the painting up for

00:23:35
sale at a local art shop. It was quickly bought, but promptly

00:23:39
returned again.

00:23:40
And the same thing kept happening time after time. Tim

00:23:44
Mendham from Australian Skeptics says it could be the case of the

00:23:48
artist having psychological or physiological problems, or it

00:23:51
could just be that the whole story's untrue, even down to the

00:23:54
actual existence of the painting itself.

00:23:56
The Rain Woman is this painting. No one's quite sure exactly when

00:23:59
it was done. In fact, it was probably in the 90s, supposedly,

00:24:03
the story goes. It's a story that is transplanted, moved

00:24:07
every time it's told, but there 's very little basis to it. It's

00:24:10
supposedly an artist named Svetlana Telet.

00:24:13
Who was inspired to do this painting of a fairly, I don't

00:24:16
know, Modigliani-style look of a woman and her body standing in

00:24:20
the rain. She's got a big, broad-brimmed hat. The trouble

00:24:22
is that no-one knows anything about this artist. The only

00:24:25
thing, if you look her up, the only thing you'll find is the

00:24:27
rain woman painting and nothing else about her.

00:24:30
Who she is, where she was, etc., except there are embellishments

00:24:33
that bring up extra stories. One is that she had this flash of

00:24:36
light in the corner of her eye and she looked around and there

00:24:38
was no one there, which might mean she has a problem with her

00:24:40
eyes and her retina coming loose, which is a dangerous

00:24:43
thing, if the story is true.

00:24:45
You've got to go back to that all the time, if the story is

00:24:47
true. The painting seems to exist, but you're not quite sure

00:24:49
it's the painting that she supposedly painted. And

00:24:52
certainly you can buy it on the net, you can buy prints of it,

00:24:54
etc., but whether that's the painting that is supposed to be

00:24:57
involved in this story, you're not quite sure what...

00:25:00
She supposedly did was sold it and it kept coming back because

00:25:03
people horrible things were happening when you bought this

00:25:04
painting not the only haunted painting where that's happened

00:25:07
to him by the way we've had a number of stories about similar

00:25:09
paintings that you sell it through an op shop or sell it

00:25:11
through some sort of an antique store or something and it keeps

00:25:13
coming back the owners keep bringing it back which will

00:25:15
raise the price of the painting eventually because they want

00:25:17
this oh good haunted painting i must buy that the trouble is

00:25:20
that everything's allegedly in this story what makes this

00:25:23
painting haunted i mean it's a lady wearing a black hat the

00:25:27
anguished man is much scarier oh yeah The woman in the rain looks

00:25:30
pretty placid.

00:25:31
Yeah. Looks like she doesn't mind being in the rain. There

00:25:33
are certainly other paintings of people sort of out in the open

00:25:35
who don't look particularly happy. This is not a very

00:25:37
exciting painting. The question is, was it painted by this

00:25:40
person? Did this person exist? The retelling of a story just

00:25:44
follows in a sort of cut and paste, copy and paste.

00:25:46
The retelling without any information at all, that's sort

00:25:48
of verifiable. So we have to sort of put this one in the

00:25:51
interesting. Is it really cursed? Are the stories about

00:25:53
people, terrible things happening, are they real? This

00:25:55
is a story totally without evidence, but it creates a myth

00:25:58
and it's sort of very impressive to people. And it's really one

00:26:02
of life's interesting non-events.

00:26:04
That's Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics.

00:26:23
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