S27E46: Stellar Cannibalism: Unraveling the Secrets of Star-Eating Phenomena
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S27E46: Stellar Cannibalism: Unraveling the Secrets of Star-Eating Phenomena

SpaceTime Series 27 Episode 46: The Cosmic Dance of Neutron Stars and Black Holes
Join us on a thrilling journey through the cosmos in SpaceTime Series 27 Episode 46, where we delve into the mysteries of a possible neutron star-black hole merger detected in gravitational waves. The LIGO-Virgo-KAGRA collaboration may have stumbled upon a cosmic ballet between the densest objects in the universe, offering tantalizing clues about the elusive mass gap and challenging our understanding of stellar evolution.
Next, we explore the cannibalistic tendencies of stars as a new study reveals that stars often end up devouring their own planets. This celestial feast, found in roughly 8% of binary star systems examined, raises questions about the stability of planetary orbits and could reshape our knowledge of cosmic dynamics.
And as North America was plunged into darkness by a total solar eclipse, scientists seized the opportunity to conduct groundbreaking research. From rockets piercing the upper atmosphere to jets chasing the eclipse at dizzying altitudes, we look at the scientific endeavors that took advantage of this spectacular celestial event.
Plus, in the Science Report, we discuss the implications of "forever chemicals" in our water resources, the heart failure benefits of a diabetes drug, the discovery of Australia's oldest pottery, and the controversy surrounding a prestigious clinic's endorsement of Reiki.
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Episode Chapters
(00:00) A possible neutron star black hole merger detected in gravitational waves
(00:47) LIGO has detected what might be either the merger of two neutron stars
(06:22) New study confirms that some stars may have swallowed planets or planetary material
(13:58) NASA launched a fleet of rockets and jets to monitor last weeks solar eclipse
(16:54) A new study warns that we're likely underestimating future impact of forever chemicals
(19:19) Mayo Clinic slammed for allowing staff nurse to promote rank pseudoscience
(22:50) Spacetime is available every Monday, Wednesday and Friday through various podcasting services

[00:00:00] This is SpaceTime Series 27 Episode 46 for broadcast on the 15th April 2024.

[00:00:08] Coming up on SpaceTime, a possible neutron star black hole merger detected in gravitational

[00:00:13] waves. A new study shows that stars often wind up eating their own planets. And the

[00:00:20] science from America's solar eclipse. All that and more coming up on SpaceTime.

[00:00:28] Welcome to SpaceTime with Stuart Gary.

[00:00:47] The LIGO-VERGA-CAGRA Gravitational Wave collaboration has detected what might be either the merger of

[00:00:53] two neutron stars, or even more excitingly that of a neutron star with a stellar mass black hole.

[00:00:59] The signal was initially detected back in May 2023, just days after the fourth LIGO-Gravity

[00:01:06] Observatory Run began. The LIGO Livingston Gravitational Wave detector observed the signal

[00:01:12] from a collision what's most likely a neutron star with a compact object between 2.5 and 4.5

[00:01:18] times the mass of the sun at a distance of roughly 450 million light years. Now unfortunately,

[00:01:24] the direction of the source could not be determined because only one gravitational wave

[00:01:28] detector LIGO Livingston was observing at the time of the signal. Neutron stars and

[00:01:34] stellar mass black holes are both compact objects, the dense remnants of massive stellar

[00:01:39] explosions. But what makes this signal cataloged as GW 230529 so intriguing is the mass of the

[00:01:47] heavier object. It falls within a possible mass gap between the most massive known neutron stars

[00:01:53] and the smallest stellar mass black holes. The trouble is the GW signal alone cannot reveal

[00:02:00] the nature of this object. Further detections of similar events, especially those accompanied

[00:02:06] by bursts of electromagnetic radiation could hold the key to solving this cosmic mystery.

[00:02:11] One of the study's authors, Jess McGiver from the University of British Columbia,

[00:02:15] says the detection reveals that there may be higher rates of similar collisions,

[00:02:20] that is between neutron stars and low mass black holes than previously thought.

[00:02:24] Before the detection of gravitational waves in 2015, the masses of stellar mass black holes

[00:02:30] were primarily found using X-ray observations while the masses of neutron stars were obtained

[00:02:35] using radio observations. The resulting measurements meant the objects fell into two

[00:02:39] distinct mass ranges with a gap between them being somewhere between 2 and 5 times the

[00:02:44] mass of our Sun. Over the years, a small number of measurements have encroached on this mass gap

[00:02:50] which remains highly debated among astrophysicists. Analysis of the signal from GW 230529 shows that

[00:02:58] it did come from the merger of two compact objects, one with a mass somewhere between 1.2

[00:03:04] and 2 times that of our Sun and the other slightly more than twice as massive. Now

[00:03:09] neutron stars are known to have masses between 1.44 and 2.3 times the mass of the Sun,

[00:03:16] 1.44 being the magic Chandra Seca limit beyond which baryonic particles can push through the

[00:03:22] electron degeneracy barrier which prevents two particles from occupying the same quantum space

[00:03:27] at the same time. And we now know that masses above somewhere around 2.3 solar masses,

[00:03:33] maybe 2.4, are thought to be capable of breaking the neutron degeneracy barrier,

[00:03:37] allowing them to crash down far enough to become black hole singularities.

[00:03:43] Now, while the gravitational wave signal doesn't provide enough information to determine with any

[00:03:47] degree of certainty whether or not the compact objects are neutron stars and black holes,

[00:03:52] it seems very likely that the lighter object is most likely a neutron star and the heavier one

[00:03:57] probably a black hole. The steady's authors are confident the heavier object is within

[00:04:02] the mass gap. Gravitational wave observations have now provided almost 200 measurements of

[00:04:08] compact object masses. Of these, only one other merger may have involved a mass gap compact object.

[00:04:16] The signal GW190814 came from the merger of a black hole with a compact object exceeding

[00:04:22] the mass of the heaviest known neutron star and possibly within the mass gap.

[00:04:28] While previous evidence of mass gap objects have been reported both in gravitational waves and

[00:04:32] electromagnetic waves, this system is especially exciting because it's the first gravitational

[00:04:37] wave detection of a mass gap object paired with a neutron star. The observations therefore

[00:04:43] have important implications both for theories of binary evolution and electromagnetic counterparts

[00:04:48] to compact object mergers. The highly successful third observation run of gravitational wave

[00:04:54] detections ended in early 2020, bringing the number of known gravitational wave detections to 90.

[00:05:00] Before the start of the fourth observing run on the 24th of May 2023, the LIGO Virgo Kagro

[00:05:05] researchers made further improvements to the detectors, the cyber infrastructure and the

[00:05:10] analysis software, allowing them to detect signals from further away and to extract

[00:05:15] more information about these extreme events which these waves generated. The current fourth

[00:05:21] observing runs plan to last a total of 20 months, including a couple of months break

[00:05:25] to carry out maintenance of the detectors and to make a number of necessary improvements.

[00:05:30] By January 16th 2024 when the commissioning break started, a total of 81 significant signal

[00:05:37] candidates had been identified and GW230529 is the first of these to be published.

[00:05:45] This space time. Still to come, a new study shows that stars often eat their own planets.

[00:05:52] And as much of the world marveled at last week's total solar eclipse to the sun across

[00:05:57] North America, scientists were busy carrying out new observations. We'll tell you what they

[00:06:02] were up to. All that and more still to come on space time.

[00:06:22] A new study has confirmed that at least one in every dozen or so stars have torn apart and

[00:06:27] consumed one of their orbiting planets. The findings reported in the journal Nature

[00:06:32] are based on a study of binary star systems which should contain two stars with an identical

[00:06:38] composition. However, in about eight percent of cases they apparently differ a finding which has

[00:06:43] been perplexing scientists. Astronomers have now found that the difference could be due to

[00:06:49] one of the stars in the group devouring planets or planetary material. The studies

[00:06:54] lead author Fan Liu from Monash University says his team were examining twin stars traveling together.

[00:07:00] They're born at the same time in the same molecular gas and dust clouds, so they should be identical.

[00:07:06] However, high precision analysis has allowed the authors to detect chemical differences between

[00:07:11] the pair. Liu says this provides strong evidence that one of the stars has swallowed

[00:07:16] either planets or planetary material and that's changed its composition. He says the same

[00:07:21] phenomenon appeared in about eight percent of the 91 pairs of twin stars the team looked at.

[00:07:27] What makes this study compelling is that the stars were all in their prime of life on the so-called

[00:07:32] main sequence rather than stars in the final phases of their existence such as red giants.

[00:07:38] Stars on the main sequence are fusing hydrogen into helium in their cores, whereas red

[00:07:43] giants are known to consume nearby planets as they expand and become bloated in the final

[00:07:48] stages of their lives. Now there is some room for doubt as to whether the stars are swallowing

[00:07:53] planets whole or whether they're simply engulfing protoplanetary material, but Liu suspects both

[00:07:59] are possible. He says it's complicated, the ingestion of the whole planet is the

[00:08:03] favorite scenario, but the team can't rule out that some of these stars are ingesting lots

[00:08:08] of material from a protoplanetary disk. The findings have been made possible thanks to a

[00:08:14] large dataset collected with the help of the 6.5-meter Magellan telescope and the European

[00:08:19] Southern Observatory's very large telescope both in Chile and the 10-meter Keck telescope in Hawaii.

[00:08:25] Liu says the research room is part of a larger collaboration known as the Complete

[00:08:29] Census of Co-Moving Pairs of Objects or C3PO, and top prizes for whoever came up with that one.

[00:08:36] It's an initiative to spectroscopically observe a complete sample of all bright co-moving

[00:08:41] stars identified by the European Space Agency's Gaia astrometric satellite.

[00:08:46] We are basically just looking at some stars which are like just like twins, so they were born together

[00:08:52] and moving around together, so we call them like co-nequal-satins. They should have been like

[00:08:57] basically identical, like have the same conversation but actually we do find some like differences

[00:09:02] in terms of their chemical composition. So from there we notice that some of those twin

[00:09:06] stars or one of them like seems to have like some higher amount of some like material and elements

[00:09:12] and that could be due to like the ingestion of pennies. So we find that to be like very interesting

[00:09:17] because it's like kind of not very commonly seen before.

[00:09:20] How common is it? How often does it happen?

[00:09:23] So it's surprising because we do know like when stars evolve to their late stage like they

[00:09:28] will tend to join four and they will eventually like weather their pennies, but like for our

[00:09:33] study we mainly thought looked at like the stars as their early or mid-stage so that they are like

[00:09:38] their main sequence stage. So in this stage it's actually uncommon because we used to believe

[00:09:43] like this kind of stellar pancreas system should be very stable just like our solar system

[00:09:48] like it's very stable and nothing like intense would happen and but actually from our study

[00:09:53] we see that it's actually happening, so at some stage like some of these like inner pennies can

[00:09:58] be just scattered into each star like due to some maybe some instability.

[00:10:02] You've got two stars they're in a binary system they're orbiting each other both stars are still

[00:10:06] on the main sequence one of them hasn't become a red giant yet or anything is that correct?

[00:10:11] Yeah so both stars are at the same stage so they are like well so they were born together

[00:10:16] so they have same age as well so they have the same they should have same compensation

[00:10:21] but then we see the difference so then from there we can see that

[00:10:25] some like planetary ingestion happened. Something's happened and if they're both of the same that

[00:10:30] means they're both at the same mass I take it if they're the same stage of evolution. Yeah yeah

[00:10:34] yeah they basically have the very same evolution of math and everything very similar.

[00:10:39] And yet when you look at these stars when you do a spectra of them you find that one

[00:10:43] star contains the sorts of elements you normally see in a planet gas or terrestrial

[00:10:49] planet I guess I should be asking? Yes yes indeed so like they are mainly like elements

[00:10:54] from like terrestrial planets actually you know like iron, nickel, silicon and aluminium so sort of

[00:10:59] like this kind of rocky material and rocky element. We'd expect to see this in a star once it moves

[00:11:06] off the main sequence it becomes a red giant or a red super giant but to see it in a

[00:11:12] in a main sequence star that's got to mean there's some sort of gravitational perturbation

[00:11:16] involving the orbit of the planet and the stars themselves. Yes yes indeed that's kind of one

[00:11:21] of the very important implication of this study so yeah it helps people to understand like the

[00:11:26] instabilities in like the stellar pantry system. I guess the next thing to do is find more examples

[00:11:32] of this. Yes yes indeed we are looking forward to like examining like more systems like this

[00:11:38] meanwhile we are also trying to for example search for like monitoring the radiovariety

[00:11:43] variation of like this system we have already identified because we know that they must have

[00:11:48] some like a perturbation there so it could be a super earth or could be a giant or something

[00:11:53] planet something like that so we're also trying to find those sort of perturbations in those systems

[00:11:59] we identified. How are you able to do the research? We have to like spend actually quite a lot of

[00:12:03] effort like to collect all of this very high quality special data they were like overtaken from

[00:12:09] like those like international like large telescopes in like Hawaii and in Chile and then we are

[00:12:15] also looking into like other like coordinate systems like for example we are looking into

[00:12:20] the our star's coordinate system because previously we don't know exactly what how many like are

[00:12:27] like really the star's coordinate systems but now we have some techniques that we can probably

[00:12:33] identify them and then apply some analysis to check if our star has some peculiar chemical

[00:12:38] composition. Our nearest neighboring star system Alpha Centauri it has two stars very similar

[00:12:43] to each other Alpha Centauri A and B we know that the third star in the group Proxima Centauri

[00:12:48] has planets we don't know yet if Alpha Centauri A and B have planets do we? We don't know for sure

[00:12:54] that's probably one which is very further away like those kind of very far away further away

[00:12:59] planning but we can't really confirm that yet. Is that a system you're going to be looking at?

[00:13:04] Yes Alpha Centauri would also be another very interesting state team to looking to yet

[00:13:08] to apply like some analysis and to compare them to for example some stars which have very similar

[00:13:15] properties of like other stars which yes they were like a bond together.

[00:13:19] That's Fan Liu from Monash University and this is space time. Still to come we look at the

[00:13:26] sort of science astronomers were up to during last week's solar eclipse and later in the

[00:13:31] science report anthropologists have discovered Australia's oldest pottery dating back to

[00:13:37] between two and three thousand years ago all that and more still to come on space time.

[00:13:58] As much of the world marveled at last week's total solar eclipse of the sun across North America

[00:14:04] scientists were busy carrying out new observations. The breathtaking displays come as the sun's nearing

[00:14:10] the peak of its 11 year solar cycle and spectators weren't disappointed with a solar corona glowing

[00:14:16] spectacularly from the moon's silhouette along the path of totality. The total solar eclipse

[00:14:23] began in the Pacific Ocean sweeping across North America after making landfall in Mexico.

[00:14:28] It then arc through the southwest, midwest and New England regions of the United States

[00:14:33] before crossing into eastern Canada and then heading out to sea from Newfoundland.

[00:14:38] Eclipse watches in Mexico got the longest period of totality when the moon completely blocks out

[00:14:44] the sun that lasted some four minutes and 28 seconds but most places along the path of totality

[00:14:51] saw durations are between three and a half and four minutes. As well as undertaking more than

[00:14:56] 40 citizen scientist projects NASA launched a small amader of rockets jets and drones to

[00:15:01] monitor the spectacle in greater detail. The agency launched no less than three Black

[00:15:07] Brant 9 sounding rockets from the Wallops Flight Facility on the Virginia-Medalantic Coast and

[00:15:12] a specially equipped drone was deployed from Fort Drum in New York State. The rockets were sent

[00:15:18] up before, during and just after the eclipse to investigate the influence of solar eclipses

[00:15:23] on the Earth's upper atmosphere including atmospheric response to the transient absence of sunlight.

[00:15:29] NASA also flew its WB-57 jets to chase the eclipse from altitudes of above 50,000 feet.

[00:15:35] That was in order to gather data for scientists wanting to better understand the solar corona

[00:15:39] and its effects on Earth. The jet's missions were designed to shed light on the current

[00:15:44] structure, its temperature and the solar wind's origins to respect parameters and cameras.

[00:15:50] They also studied the ionosphere's behavior under the shadow of the moon,

[00:15:54] potentially enhancing scientists' comprehension of the solar radiation's impact on crucial

[00:15:58] technologies like radar and GPS. But it doesn't end there. The agency also used a specially equipped

[00:16:05] drone fitted with an array of weather sensors similar to those used by the National Weather Service

[00:16:10] on daily weather balloon flights to collect data on temperature, relative humidity, pressure

[00:16:15] and winds. The aircraft was flown to its maximum altitude, nearly 3.2 kilometers in order

[00:16:21] to test an alternative data collection method from that of standard weather balloons higher in

[00:16:26] the troposphere, a lowest part of Earth's atmosphere where the weather occurs. This is Spacetime.

[00:16:38] And time out to take a brief look at some of the other stories making news in science this week

[00:16:52] with The Science Report. A new study warns that we're likely underestimating the future impact

[00:16:58] of so-called forever chemicals in the environment. A report in the journal Nature Geoscience warns

[00:17:05] that perin polyfluor alkali substances are now at levels in global water resources which far exceed

[00:17:11] safe drinking limits. These forever chemicals have been in widespread production since the 1950s

[00:17:17] and it's now thought that every human being on this planet has been contaminated by them to

[00:17:22] some degree. They've been popular because of their ability to resist heat, water, grease and

[00:17:28] stains. In fact, over 14,000 different types of chemical combinations have been developed from

[00:17:35] these perin polyfluor alkali substances. They've found their way into products ranging from some

[00:17:41] types of firefighting foams to non-stick fry pans, carpets, leather and apparel, textiles,

[00:17:47] paper and packaging, coatings, rubber, food processing and plastics. The study led

[00:17:53] by the University of New South Wales assessed the levels of forever chemical contamination

[00:17:58] in both surface and groundwater around the globe. A new study has shown that the diabetes drug

[00:18:04] somaglutide which is best known for its weight loss properties can also help reduce heart failure

[00:18:10] related symptoms and physical limitations in obese people with diabetes as well as increasing

[00:18:15] their weight loss. A report in the New England Journal of Medicine looked at around 600 diabetics

[00:18:21] with heart failure who are also obese giving them either once weekly somaglutide treatment

[00:18:26] or a placebo for a year. After 12 months, they found fewer symptoms and physical limitations

[00:18:32] in the somaglutide group and this group also reduced their body weight by around 9.8% compared to just

[00:18:38] 3.4% for those with a placebo. Anthropologists have discovered Australia's oldest pottery

[00:18:45] dating back to between 2 and 3,000 years ago. The discovery was made on Lizard Island and

[00:18:51] the Great Barrier Reef. A report in the Journal of Coordinary Science Reviews claims the findings

[00:18:56] challenged the notion that Aboriginal Australian communities were unaware of pottery manufacture

[00:19:01] before European settlement. The pottery was locally produced using local clays.

[00:19:07] The discovery sheds light on the sophisticated maritime capabilities in trading systems of

[00:19:12] First Nations communities in North Queensland connected with the pottery making communities

[00:19:16] of New Guinea. The highly prestigious Mayo Clinic has been slammed for allowing a staff nurse to

[00:19:23] promote the ranks pseudoscience of Reiki. Tim Endham from Australian Sceptic says the normally

[00:19:29] respected medical facility is being criticised by health professionals around the world for

[00:19:34] allowing the fake and unproven alternative medicine practice to be promoted under its banner.

[00:19:39] This is pretty depressing but it's not actually that unusual in a way. Mayo Clinic has

[00:19:44] of course a very prestigious medical facility in the US which generally regarded as one of the best

[00:19:49] clinical organisations in the US. It rates very, very highly often up near the top but it's not

[00:19:54] at the top and it's also very innovative in the way it sort of develops treatment and it has

[00:19:58] done since the sort of foundation 100 plus years ago. It is therefore strange and sad to see

[00:20:04] it then promoting or to have people within it promoting some very, very dodgy alternative

[00:20:10] treatment and what is even worse and something that's been pointed out is that the organisations

[00:20:14] themselves are not saying hang on. The people within sort of who are not necessarily believers in some

[00:20:19] of these treatments are not actually sort of pulling it up and they've been described by

[00:20:23] some people as shruggies like, I don't know, shrug their shoulders and saying yeah well that

[00:20:27] might be true. In particular what's happened recently is someone's putting forward supposed

[00:20:32] evidence for Reiki which is an Asian practice of moving your hands over someone's body not

[00:20:37] touching the body, not touching your feeling, is moving your hands over the body to disrupt energy

[00:20:42] flows and bad energy flows and push them away. In some cases actually it was almost literally

[00:20:47] that it's moving your hands and then pushing this energy down to the end of them and they're

[00:20:51] outside their body. It's nonsense. Okay as much as you can say anything in the medical world

[00:20:57] is pretty lacking any sort of basis at all. There might be a placebo effect, might make

[00:21:01] people feel good but this has actually supposedly been touted as scientifically proven in this

[00:21:07] information coming out of the Mayo Clinic or at least one particular researcher in the Mayo Clinic.

[00:21:12] This has been written by a nurse in the clinic named Kenneth Ruth who has sort of been promoting

[00:21:16] this particular stuff. The trouble is the energy cannot be detected, it can't be measured,

[00:21:21] it can't be confirmed in any way. There isn't an energy-based practice that's been shown

[00:21:25] to have any effect beyond placebo which is what this might be. But nonetheless from a Mayo

[00:21:29] clinic which is heavily evidence-based, heavily medical evidence, science evidence-based with

[00:21:35] innovative technologies that have been proven to work and they've been involved in a lot of

[00:21:39] different areas to have at least one person within the organization promoting pseudo-science

[00:21:44] that is totally without same direction and running off that imprimatur of the Mayo Clinic is a

[00:21:49] concern. Now it happens in lots of places you'll get rogue people. We're hearing about it

[00:21:53] with the World Health Organization too recently. The World Health Organization which is almost

[00:21:57] coming from the top there but there's also, you find within most scientific organizations

[00:22:02] there will be someone who's a loose cannon but this is someone claiming that it's scientifically

[00:22:05] proved that it's an old range of medical papers, blah blah blah, they're actually

[00:22:09] proving this thing which are not. So it's one thing to be promoting a totally unproven and

[00:22:14] disproven in some cases but you know the tenuous treatment system but then to have it coming

[00:22:19] out of such a prestigious body that's where the problem's going to concern life.

[00:22:22] If there's credibility there's something that doesn't deserve it.

[00:22:24] Absolutely and it's the extreme credibility because you know the Mayo Clinic rates very

[00:22:29] very highly amongst medical facilities in the US but the claims are just not supported

[00:22:34] and there's no indication that the practitioners who are often just trained in

[00:22:37] like it and nothing in great medical qualification it's very sad. I mean yeah the evidence has

[00:22:42] been put forward is largely anecdotal and which means that you really can't sort of study

[00:22:46] it scientifically you certainly can't prove it beyond sort of a nice feeling.

[00:22:50] That's Tim Minden from Australian Skeptics

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