Stardust from Beyond: Unveiling the Secrets of Asteroid Bennu and Saturn's Mysteries
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Stardust from Beyond: Unveiling the Secrets of Asteroid Bennu and Saturn's Mysteries

(00:00:00) Stardust from Beyond: Unveiling the Secrets of Asteroid Bennu and Saturn's Mysteries
(00:00:47) Scientists have discovered minerals older than our solar system embedded in asteroid Bennu
(00:10:22) Scientists using NASA's Webb telescope have uncovered mysterious features in Saturn's atmosphere
(00:14:58) NASA's Parker Solar Probe completes 25th close approach to the sun
(00:17:27) The Science Report

In this episode of Space Time, we uncover groundbreaking discoveries that challenge our understanding of the cosmos. Join Stuart Gary as he discusses the astonishing findings from the asteroid Bennu, revealing minerals older than our solar system itself. Delve into the unexpected features observed in Saturn's atmosphere and learn about the Parker Solar Probe's close flyby of the Sun. This episode is packed with insights that could reshape our knowledge of planetary formation and cosmic history.

Chapters:
(00:00) This is space time series 28 episode 117 for broadcast on 29 September 2025
(00:47) Scientists have discovered minerals older than our solar system embedded in asteroid Bennu
(10:13) Scientists using NASA's Webb telescope have uncovered mysterious features in Saturn's atmosphere
(14:59) NASA's Parker Solar Probe completes 25th close approach to the sun
(17:41) A widely reported study on apple cider vinegar and weight loss has been retracted

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This is Space Time, Series 28, Episode 117, for broadcast on

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the 29th of September, 2025. Coming up on Space Time,

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Stardust, older than the solar system, found in the asteroid

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Bennu. Strange and mysterious features discovered in Saturn's

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atmosphere. And the Parkas solar probe undertakes a close flyby

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of the Sun. All that and more coming up on Space Time.

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Welcome to Space Time with Stuart Gary.

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Scientists have discovered minerals older than our solar

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system, embedded in the asteroid Bennu. The findings, reported in

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the journal's Nature Astronomy and Nature Geoscience, could

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help explain how planets like the Earth first formed.

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The new research provides the most comprehensive analysis yet

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of samples from NASA's OSIRIS-REx mission, which

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returned more than 120 grams of pristine asteroid material from

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Bennu to Earth in 2023. One of the study's authors, Nick Timms

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from Curtin University, says the findings show the asteroid Bennu

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is composed of ancient cosmic material, including stardust,

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which is older than the solar system itself.

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The analysis indicates that the 490-metre-wide asteroid's parent

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body was built from a rich, varied mix of organic compounds,

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icy materials, silicates and grains from ancient stars,

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preserved in near-perfect conditions for more than four

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and a half billion years.

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Tim says some of these materials formed in other stars long

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before the solar system existed. Others formed in the outer solar

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system, and still others were condensed close to the Sun

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before being carried outwards.

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This means that asteroid Bennu's parent body must have been

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formed from dust from distinct regions of the solar system, or

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at least the protoplanetary disk which eventually would form our

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solar system, and then likely travelled from an orbit beyond

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Jupiter towards the inner solar system and the main asteroid

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belt.

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Some time later, the parent body was destroyed and some parts

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were reassembled into Bennu, a rubble pile asteroid which

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eventually drifted into its current near-Earth orbit. Tim

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says Bennu helps astronomers understand how planets form and

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how key ingredients, such as water and organic matter, may

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have reached the Earth.

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Some of the work involved looking at the small components

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that make up asteroid Bennu and it's basically quite a buffet

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of... Of all sorts of different particles from early in the

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solar system and even some tiny particles that formed before our

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solar system formed as well, which tells us about whereabouts

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in the solar system the parent body for asteroid Bennu was

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formed.

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And also we've been finding out a lot about the conditions on

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the parent body for the asteroid as well and how water was very

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instrumental in changing some of the components of the asteroid

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and altering things at conditions. Roughly around room

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temperature on the parent body for asteroid Bennu very, very

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early on in the solar system, long before it was smashed up

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and reassembled into a big rubble pile asteroid Bennu is

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today.

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So what can you tell us about the environment Bennu was formed

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in?

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Well, the asteroid was, or the parent to the asteroid at least,

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was kind of amalgamated or accreted from dust particles and

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ice particles from different parts in the solar system very

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soon after the Sun formed.

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And before really the planets got to form into the planets

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that we know today, we think there were lots more

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proto-planets or baby planets which started to creep from the

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dust in the solar disk in the early solar system. And some of

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those survived and accumulated today to what we know as the

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planets, and some of them didn't. And the parent body for

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asteroid Bennu was one of the early ones that didn't survive.

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But we found out some of the components were formed. In the

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inner solar system, and some of the parts of Bennu, the Bennu

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parent body, were accreted in the outer solar system. So there

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was lots of movement and mixing and migration of material in the

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early solar system to make up what we now see as asteroid

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Bennu.

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So how did you determine that? Was it simply that you looked at

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the composition of the water itself to see how much deuterium

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there was in it, or how is that done?

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So what we can do is look at, well, there are two things.

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Really two main ways of studying the asteroid material. One is to

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make measurements of larger pieces of it and look at the

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bulk geochemistry of those fragments. So it sort of

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amalgamates everything together to get a sort of a bulk view of

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what the average of everything is in all of the bits inside the

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asteroid material.

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And the other approach really is to look at the individual grains

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and individual crystals and fragments and particles within

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the asteroid material and try to fingerprint where they're from

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using a combination of geochemistry and isotope

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geochemistry. And it's the combination of those things that

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have helped sort of identify all of these different weak

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components.

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For example, the asteroid contains just a few percent of

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types of minerals which have escaped hydrothermal alteration

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of some of the original bit if you like, some of the original

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fragments, and the hydrosilicates, a group of

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minerals which include things like olivine, which you might

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know as peridote, which people put on jewelry, and a group of

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minerals called pyroxenes.

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Now, we could analyze those crystals individually and

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measure their oxygen isotope values, so the proportions of

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different isotopes of oxygen, so oxygen-16 and oxygen-17,

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oxygen-18, and that allows us to interpret. What their sources

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were. And some of them was really, really primitive

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material, primordial material formed right after the formation

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of the Sun, some of the earliest solids to form in the solar

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system.

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And some of those minerals have actually been processed, they've

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been remelted again, and are fragments of what we call

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chondrules, which are subject to sort of flash heating events in

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the early solar system as well. So that's just an example of how

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we can fingerprint some of the origins of some of the minerals

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in asteroid Bennu.

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Some of your colleagues were also able to find material in

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there that was from beyond our solar system, grains from

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stardust from interstellar origins.

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Yeah, that's exactly right. So a small team, a couple of groups

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around the world are able to look at the composition of

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really, really small particles that are very rare. They only

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exist, you know, a few tens of parts per million in the

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asteroid, which is very low abundance.

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But they're very conspicuous because they have extremely

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different. Isotope ratios in several different types of

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isotopes, including nitrogen and oxygen and so on and so forth,

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that really indicate that they can't have formed from the

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environment of our Sun and they have to have formed in different

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star systems.

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So they were into solar system or galactic dust that was around

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at the time of the formation of the solar system and then they

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got accreted or basically absorbed into these

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proto-planetary bodies. They got mopped up. As well.

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And some of them have survived the alteration, so we can

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analyze those and see back to what kind of star systems that

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they were formed in. It just gives us some indication of what

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sort of cosmic dust was around right at the beginning of our

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solar system in the environment that our Sun formed in.

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And one of the other surprising finds was that Bennu was a

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sibling to Ryugu, the other recent asteroid visited by a

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spacecraft for sample return.

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Yeah, that's right. So the Japanese space agency JAXA also

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returned samples from... An asteroid before. We had samples

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from the asteroid Bennu. The asteroid they returned samples

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from was called Ryugu. And both of the two asteroids are very,

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very similar in all of the types of particles that make them up

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and their isotopic and geochemical compositions.

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And so, in a sense, they're almost like sibling asteroids

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that have happened to have come in from the asteroid belt to

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near-Earth orbits and have had very, very similar histories.

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And probably formed in very, very similar regions of the

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solar system originally.

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And both asteroids were chosen by the different space agencies

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because they were very carbon-rich, and we wanted to

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sample some carbon-rich asteroids to look at the

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organics in both of those. And it turns out that they are very

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similar, which is quite phenomenal, really.

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I remember when the OSIRIS-REx mission landed on Bennu to gain

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samples, they discovered just how fluffy and little density it

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had.

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Yeah, so when Osiris Rex... Touchdown on asteroid Bennu

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after it was sort of hung around in orbit with it for the best

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part of two years. And they were taking incredibly detailed

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images of the asteroid so they can map it in detail, figure out

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a really good place to touch down, grab a sample and jet back

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off again.

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But nobody, I don't think anybody was expecting how soft

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the asteroid was. I've heard my colleagues describe that

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touchdown. It was almost like a probe sinking into a bowl of

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popcorn. It was, you know that's soft and they had to initiate

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thrusters actually to get the probe back out again before the

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spacecraft jetted back to Earth.

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So it was a really kind of exciting, intense moment and all

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of it captured with amazing video footage as well from the

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spacecraft that was relayed back to Earth and it's really quite,

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it's quite incredible. It was really good to see when we were

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part of the mission and that happened live as well. It was a

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really, really exciting time.

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That's Associate Professor Nick Timms from Curtin University.

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And this is Space Time. Still to come, strange and mysterious

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features discovered in Saturn's atmosphere. And NASA's Parker

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Solar Probe undertakes a close flyby of the Sun. All that and

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more still to come on Space Time.

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New observations from the Webb Space Telescope have uncovered

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mysterious, never-before-seen features in Saturn's atmosphere.

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The strange, complex structures of beads in a star-like pattern

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are unlike anything ever seen before on another planet. The

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findings were presented at the Europlanet Science Congress

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Division Of Planetary Sciences Conference in Helsinki, Finland.

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One of the study's authors, Tom Stellard from Northumbria

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University, says the findings came as a complete surprise.

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Stollard says astronomers expected to see emissions in

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broad bands at various atmospheric levels.

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But instead, the observations showed these fine-scale patterns

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of beads and a star that, despite being separated by huge

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distances in altitude, may somehow be interconnected and

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may even be linked to Saturn's famous North Pole hexagon. He

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says these features were completely unexpected and, at

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present, are impossible to explain.

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The patterns were discovered during a continuous 10-hour

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observation period using Webb back in November last year. The

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authors were focused on detecting emissions by a

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positively charged molecular form of hydrogen, which plays a

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key role in reactions in Saturn 's atmosphere, and so can

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provide valuable insights into the chemical and physical

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processes at work.

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Webb's near-infrared spectrograph allowed the authors

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to simultaneously observe hydrogen ions in the ionosphere.

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1 kilometers above Saturn's cloud tops, and methane

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molecules in the underlying stratosphere at an altitude of

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around 600 kilometers.

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In the electrically charged plasma of the ionosphere, the

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authors observed a series of dark bead-like features embedded

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in bright auroral halos. These structures remained stable for

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hours, but they appeared to drift slowly over longer

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periods. And around 500 kilometers lower, down in Saturn

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's stratosphere, the authors observed a strange asymmetric

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star-shaped feature.

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This unusual structure extended out from Saturn's North Pole

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towards the equator. But only four of the star's six arms were

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visible, with two mysteriously missing, in the process creating

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what appears to be a lopsided pattern. Saturn's upper

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atmosphere has proven to be incredibly difficult to study

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with missions and telescopes to date due to the extremely weak

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emissions from this region.

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But web sensitivity has revolutionized science's ability

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to observe these atmospheric layers, in the process revealing

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structures completely unlike anything ever seen before.

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The authors mapped the exact locations of these features,

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finding that they overlaid the same region of Saturn at

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different levels, with the star 's arms appearing to emanate

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from positions directly above the points of the storm cloud

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level polar hexagon. This all suggests that the processes that

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are driving the patterns may influence a column stretching

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right through Saturn's atmosphere.

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Stallard thinks that the dark beads may result from complex

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interactions between Saturn's magnetosphere and its rotating

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atmosphere, potentially providing new insights into the

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energy exchange which drives Saturn's aurora. The asymmetric

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star pattern suggests previously unknown atmospheric processes

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operating in Saturn's stratosphere, possibly linked to

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the hexagonal storm pattern observed deeper in the

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atmosphere.

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Tantalizingly, the darkest beads in the ionosphere appear to line

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up with the strongest star arm in the stratosphere, but it's

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not clear at this point whether they are actually linked or

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whether it's just a coincidence.

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While both features could have significant implications for

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understanding atmospheric dynamics on gas giants, more

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work is needed to provide explanations for the underlying

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causes. So the authors are now looking for additional time on

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Webb for follow-up observations. In order to further explore

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these mysterious features.

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And with Saturn currently at its equinox, which only occurs once

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every 15 Earth years, the structures may well change

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dramatically as Saturn's orientation to the Sun shifts

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and the northern hemisphere moves into autumn. This is Space

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Time. Still to come, NASA's Parker Solar Probe undertakes a

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close flyby of the Sun, and later in the Science Report, a

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new study is confirmed.

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That people who remain virgins into adulthood tend to be less

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happy. All that and more still to come. On Space Time, NASA's

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Parker Solar Probe has just completed its 25th close

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approach to the Sun.

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This latest encounter matched the spacecraft's previous record

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distance of 6.2 million kilometres above the solar

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surface. The probe checked in with mission managers at Johns

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Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory in L'Oreal, Maryland,

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two days after the close approach, using a series of

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coded beacon turns, indicating that its systems were all

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operating nominally.

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Parker was out of contact with the Earth and operating

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autonomously during the close flyby. A more detailed download

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of data will take place when the spacecraft moves further away

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from the Sun, out to an area where the star's intense ionized

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plasma radiation atmosphere will have less of an effect on

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communications.

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During the flyby, Parker also equaled its record-setting speed

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of 687 kmph, a Mark that, like the distance record, was

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set and subsequently matched during close approaches on

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December 24th last year and on March 22nd and June 19th this

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year. Parker will now remain in this orbit around the Sun and

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continue making observations.

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During these solar encounters, Parker's four scientific

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instrument packages are gathering unique observations

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from inside the Sun's atmosphere, the corona. The

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flyby allows the spacecraft to conduct unrivaled measurements

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of solar activity as the Sun goes through Solar Max, the peak

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of its 11-year solar cycle.

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The data being gathered includes observations of the solar wind,

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solar flares and coronal mass ejections, which are all

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critical. To help astronomers better understand geomagnetic

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storms. These drive high-energy space weather events, which can

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increase radiation exposure for crew in orbit on deep space

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missions and even people in high-altitude aircraft.

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The events can also damage or destroy spacecraft, or at least

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shorten the lifespans of satellites by causing Earth's

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atmosphere to expand, thereby increasing atmospheric drag,

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resulting in orbital decay, and forcing spacecraft to use more

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fuel in order to maintain their correct operational orbits.

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Solar storms also interrupt navigation and communication

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networks here on Earth, and they can trigger power grid

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overloads, which can cause terrestrial electricity

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blackouts affecting wide areas on the ground. This is Space

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Time.

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Time now to take a brief look at some of the other stories making

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news in science this week with the Science Report. Well, in

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case you haven't worked it out yet, a new study has confirmed

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that people who remain virgins in adulthood are on average more

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nervous, more lonely and more unhappy. But the good news is

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they're also likely to be more educated and less likely to use

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alcohol or drugs.

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The findings reported in the journal PNAS analysed the traits

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of some 400 British virgins between the ages of 39 and 73,

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as well as some 13 Australian virgins aged 18 to

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89, in order to look for similarities among those who go

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well into adulthood without ever having had sex.

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The authors found common genetic variants explained about 17% of

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variation in sexlessness in men and 14% in women, although they

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stress there is no virgin gene. Links between genetics and

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behavior. Are too complex for that. But they did find that

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physical traits appeared to be far more strongly linked to

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virginity in men. Men were also more likely to be virgins if

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they lived in areas with fewer women.

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A widely reported study on apple cider vinegar and weight loss

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has now been retracted. The retracted research, reported in

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the British Medical Journal, suggested that a small amount of

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apple cider vinegar every day may help overweight or obese

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people lose weight and reduce their body mass index.

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The small clinical trial received widespread

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international attention when it was first published, and it

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continues to be referenced by the media today. The retraction

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comes after concerns were raised by critics of the study, which

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was then referred to statistical experts to evaluate its

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reliability.

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Not only were the statisticians unable to replicate the results,

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but multiple analytical errors were also found. The British

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Medical Journal also notes that there were irregularities in the

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data set and the report. The authors say the errors were

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honest mistakes, and they've agreed with the decision to

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retract the study.

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Scientists have confirmed a new species of theropod dinosaur.

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They're the ones that look like T-Rex. Harquin rapticus sally

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was 7 meters long and weighed over 1 kilograms. The fossil

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was found at a dig site in South America with a crocodile leg

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bone in its jaws, suggesting it may well have been a top

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predator when it was roaming the lands, and in this case the

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shoreline, some 70 million years ago.

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A report in the journal Nature Communications claims the new

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species is part of a family of dinosaurs with powerful arms and

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large claws which once lived across South America, Asia and

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Australia.

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An investigative reporter with the New York Post has destroyed

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the credibility of several paranormal true believers inside

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the US government. Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics says

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the cutting takedown exposed several rogue military officials

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and a few Washington politicians, some of whom even

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believed they were being haunted by UFOs, ghosts and monsters

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from Skinwalker Ranch.

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There was quite a good video that came out recently, actually

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on New York Post. There's a fellow there who does a lot of

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investigations of the paranormal, and he's very good.

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He does investigate properly. He looks at the evidence and goes

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to places to see what happens.

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Anyway, he was someone who was investigating in this recent

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video UFOs and certain claims by UFOs that have had a high

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profile lately, and also UFOs which often appear at a place

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called Skinwalker Ranch in the US.

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Now, the UFO claims, first of all, A number of people

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appearing before Congress, putting their hand up and

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swearing this is true, that they were told by someone, the

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brother-in-law of someone else, that the America and the

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governments are covering up UFOs and that they're holding craft.

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And listen, if the news is going to come out there any day now,

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which is something they've been saying for 70 years, literally

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70 years, that any day now the evidence, the convincing

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evidence is going to come out. It hasn't.

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There is nothing substantial in what they've said at all. No

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evidence. Nothing. Then you move into the Skinwalker Ranch, which

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is this place in America which was supposedly a center for UFO

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activity, not to mention ghosts and all kinds of monsters and

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various things.

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Skinwalkers have a place in Native American folklore, don't

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they?

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Yes, it's nice of them to appropriate that term and apply

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it to a place which therefore gives it the imprimatur that it

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's sort of an ancient heritage, strange things going on.

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Skinwalkers were supposed to be someone who could take on the

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form of an animal and therefore move unnoticed.

00:21:59
So they named this ranch Skinwalker Ranch. But it is this

00:22:01
place supposedly full of all sorts of paranormal encounters.

00:22:04
It's got TV shows they run. It's got a lot of publicity. The guys

00:22:08
running it obviously make a few bucks out of it. And this fellow

00:22:11
who did this...

00:22:11
It's a bit like finding Bigfoot, isn't it? They keep searching

00:22:13
for these mythical creatures and they never quite get there in

00:22:17
time.

00:22:18
They just missed it. It was here yesterday. Yes. But, I mean, the

00:22:21
thing about This Skinwalker Ranch is it has a lot of

00:22:24
followers, high-profile followers and people who you

00:22:26
would hope would know better, including a lot of American

00:22:29
politicians.

00:22:29
Some of them went to Skinwalker Ranch and then claimed that they

00:22:32
were attacked by a ghost or something, which then followed

00:22:34
them back to where they came from. Skinwalkers in the Midwest

00:22:38
somewhere. These ghosts followed them back to the East Coast and

00:22:41
are still haunting them and annoying them. And you think

00:22:43
these are people making policy decisions about the most

00:22:45
important things in America.

00:22:47
I'll let you in on a little secret. Politicians really

00:22:49
aren't that bright. Believe me, I know. I know. I've met a lot

00:22:52
of them.

00:22:52
They're as easily fooled as anybody else. And there's still

00:22:56
no evidence of these things being there, of attacking

00:22:58
people. It's all gossip, rumour, publicity, you name it. None of

00:23:02
these things have ever shown any good evidence for them, but that

00:23:05
's never stopped them being popular.

00:23:06
That's Tim Mendham from Australian Skeptics.

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