Theia Unveiled: Tracing the Origins of Earth's Moon and Lucy's Journey to Jupiter's Trojans
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Theia Unveiled: Tracing the Origins of Earth's Moon and Lucy's Journey to Jupiter's Trojans

(00:00:00) Theia Unveiled: Tracing the Origins of Earth's Moon and Lucy's Journey to Jupiter's Trojans
(00:00:50) New study claims Theia and Earth were once neighbours
(00:06:16) Lucy’s mission to Jupiter’s trojan asteroids
(00:15:26) Starliner’s next mission to be limited to cargo only
(00:17:57) The Science Report
(00:23:17) Alex on Tech: Dooms Day clock countdown to Digital ID

In this episode of SpaceTime, we dive into the intriguing origins of our Moon and the latest developments in space exploration.
Theia: The Lost Planet Behind the Moon's Birth
A groundbreaking study reveals that Theia, the small planet believed to have collided with Earth to form the Moon, originated from the inner solar system. Researchers from the Max Planck Institute and the University of Chicago have analyzed isotopic compositions of Earth and Moon rocks, suggesting that Theia was likely composed of materials found closer to the Sun than Earth's orbit. This discovery sheds light on the nature of this celestial body and its dramatic impact on our planet's history.
Lucy Mission Update: Journey to Jupiter's Trojans
NASA's Lucy spacecraft, launched in October 2021, is on an ambitious 12-year mission to explore Jupiter's Trojan asteroids. These ancient remnants from the solar system's formation are crucial for understanding planetary development. Lucy will visit seven asteroids, including both leading and trailing Trojan swarms, providing unprecedented insights into the early solar system. Principal Investigator Hal Levison emphasizes that the mission will revolutionize our understanding of planetary formation and the origins of volatiles and organics on terrestrial planets.
Starliner Mission Limited to Cargo
In a significant setback, NASA has announced that Boeing's Starliner spacecraft will only carry cargo on its next mission to the International Space Station. This decision follows a series of technical issues that plagued Starliner's previous flights. With the total number of planned missions reduced from six to four, NASA aims to ensure safety and reliability before allowing crewed flights again.
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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 Stuart Gary: This is space Time Series 28, episode

00:00:02 --> 00:00:05 142 for broadcast on the 3rd of December,

00:00:05 --> 00:00:08 2025. Coming up on Space Time,

00:00:08 --> 00:00:11 A new study has found that the small planet

00:00:11 --> 00:00:13 that collided with the Earth to create our

00:00:13 --> 00:00:15 moon also originated from the inner solar

00:00:15 --> 00:00:18 system. An update on, um, Lucy's mission to

00:00:18 --> 00:00:21 Jupiter's Trojan asteroids. And NASA

00:00:21 --> 00:00:23 rules that Starliner's next mission to the

00:00:23 --> 00:00:25 International Space Station will be limited

00:00:25 --> 00:00:28 to cargo only. All that and more

00:00:28 --> 00:00:30 coming up on Space Time.

00:00:32 --> 00:00:34 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Welcome to Space Time with Stuart Gary

00:00:34 --> 00:00:35 Gary.

00:00:51 --> 00:00:53 Stuart Gary: A new study has found that the small planet

00:00:53 --> 00:00:55 that collided with the Earth to create our

00:00:55 --> 00:00:58 moon also originated from the inner solar

00:00:58 --> 00:01:00 system. About four and a half billion years

00:01:00 --> 00:01:03 ago, the most momentous event in the history

00:01:03 --> 00:01:06 of our planet occurred. A huge celestial

00:01:06 --> 00:01:08 body about the size of the planet Mars, which

00:01:08 --> 00:01:11 astronomers have now named Theia, collided

00:01:11 --> 00:01:13 with the young proto Earth, uh, creating a

00:01:13 --> 00:01:16 vast magma ocean which eventually coalesced,

00:01:16 --> 00:01:18 differentiated, and then solidified to form

00:01:18 --> 00:01:21 the Earth as we know it today. Meanwhile,

00:01:21 --> 00:01:23 some of the debris ejected from that impact

00:01:23 --> 00:01:25 was flung up into orbit, eventually

00:01:25 --> 00:01:28 coalescing to form the Moon. Exactly

00:01:28 --> 00:01:30 how that collision unfolded and what

00:01:30 --> 00:01:33 precisely happened afterwards has not been

00:01:33 --> 00:01:36 conclusively clarified. What is certain,

00:01:36 --> 00:01:38 however, is that the size, composition and

00:01:38 --> 00:01:41 orbit of the Earth changed as a result, and

00:01:41 --> 00:01:43 that the impact marked the birth of our

00:01:43 --> 00:01:45 constant companion in space, the Moon.

00:01:46 --> 00:01:48 But there are lots of questions yet to be

00:01:48 --> 00:01:51 answered. What kind of body was this Theia

00:01:51 --> 00:01:53 that so dramatically altered the course of

00:01:53 --> 00:01:56 our planet's development? How big was Theia

00:01:56 --> 00:01:57 really? We think it was about a third, uh,

00:01:57 --> 00:02:00 the size of the Earth. What was it made of?

00:02:00 --> 00:02:02 And from which part of the solar system did

00:02:02 --> 00:02:05 it come crashing into the Earth? The problem

00:02:05 --> 00:02:07 is, finding answers to these questions is

00:02:07 --> 00:02:10 difficult. After all, Theia was completely

00:02:10 --> 00:02:13 destroyed in that collision. Nevertheless,

00:02:13 --> 00:02:15 faint traces of it can still be found today

00:02:15 --> 00:02:17 in the composition of the Earth and Moon.

00:02:18 --> 00:02:20 Now, a report in the journal Science by

00:02:20 --> 00:02:22 researchers at the Max Planck Institute and

00:02:22 --> 00:02:25 the University of Chicago have worked out a

00:02:25 --> 00:02:27 possible list of ingredients that may have

00:02:27 --> 00:02:30 made up Theia, and thus helps to point us

00:02:30 --> 00:02:33 in the direction of its place of origin. You

00:02:33 --> 00:02:35 see, the ratio of certain metal isotopes

00:02:35 --> 00:02:37 present in a body can be especially

00:02:37 --> 00:02:40 revealing. Isotopes are variants of the

00:02:40 --> 00:02:41 same element that differ only in the number

00:02:41 --> 00:02:44 of neutrons in their atomic nucleus, and thus

00:02:44 --> 00:02:46 in their mass. In the early solar system,

00:02:46 --> 00:02:49 the isotopes of certain given elements were

00:02:49 --> 00:02:52 unlikely to be evenly distributed. At the

00:02:52 --> 00:02:54 outer edge of the solar system, for example,

00:02:54 --> 00:02:56 isotopes occurred at a slightly different

00:02:56 --> 00:02:59 ratio than what they did near the Sun. So

00:02:59 --> 00:03:01 information about the origin of a body's

00:03:01 --> 00:03:03 original building blocks is thus stored in

00:03:03 --> 00:03:06 its isotopic composition. To reach their

00:03:06 --> 00:03:08 conclusions in this study, the authors

00:03:08 --> 00:03:10 determined the ratio of different iron

00:03:10 --> 00:03:12 isotopes in Earth and Moon rocks with

00:03:12 --> 00:03:15 unprecedented precision. They examined

00:03:15 --> 00:03:18 15 terrestrial rocks and six lunar rock

00:03:18 --> 00:03:19 samples, which were brought back by the

00:03:19 --> 00:03:22 Apollo missions. Earlier measurements of the

00:03:22 --> 00:03:24 isotope ratios of chromium, calcium,

00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 titanium and zirconium had already shown that

00:03:27 --> 00:03:29 the Earth and Moon are indistinguishable in

00:03:29 --> 00:03:32 terms of their composition. So that clearly

00:03:32 --> 00:03:33 doesn't allow for any direct conclusions

00:03:33 --> 00:03:36 about Theia. There are simply too many

00:03:36 --> 00:03:38 possible collision scenarios. Most

00:03:38 --> 00:03:41 models assume that the Moon was formed almost

00:03:41 --> 00:03:44 exclusively from ejected material which was

00:03:44 --> 00:03:46 flung off from Theia. But it's also possible

00:03:46 --> 00:03:48 that it consists primarily of material from

00:03:48 --> 00:03:51 the early Earth's mantle, or that the rocks

00:03:51 --> 00:03:52 from the Earth and Theia, uh, were mixed

00:03:53 --> 00:03:54 together. Now, uh, in order to learn more

00:03:54 --> 00:03:57 about Theia, the authors applied a kind of

00:03:57 --> 00:04:00 reverse engineering for planets. Based on

00:04:00 --> 00:04:02 the matching isotope ratios in today's

00:04:02 --> 00:04:05 terrestrial lunar rocks. They looked at which

00:04:05 --> 00:04:07 compositions and sizes of Theia and which

00:04:07 --> 00:04:10 composition of the early Earth could have led

00:04:10 --> 00:04:12 to the two bodies current compositions. In

00:04:12 --> 00:04:15 their investigations, the authors looked not

00:04:15 --> 00:04:17 only at iron isotopes, but also at those of

00:04:17 --> 00:04:19 chromium, molybdenum, and zirconium.

00:04:20 --> 00:04:22 The different elements give access to

00:04:22 --> 00:04:24 different phases of planetary formation.

00:04:24 --> 00:04:26 Long before the devastating encounter with

00:04:26 --> 00:04:29 Theia, a kind of sorting process had already

00:04:29 --> 00:04:31 taken place inside the early Earth with the

00:04:31 --> 00:04:34 formation of the planet's iron core. Some

00:04:34 --> 00:04:36 elements, such as iron and molybdenum,

00:04:36 --> 00:04:39 accumulated there, so afterwards they

00:04:39 --> 00:04:41 were largely absent from the rocky mantle

00:04:41 --> 00:04:44 above. The iron found in Earth's mantle

00:04:44 --> 00:04:46 today could therefore only have arrived after

00:04:46 --> 00:04:48 the core had formed. It may have come from

00:04:48 --> 00:04:51 Theia. Other elements, such as zirconium,

00:04:51 --> 00:04:53 which didn't sink to the core, document the

00:04:53 --> 00:04:55 entire history of our planet's formation.

00:04:56 --> 00:04:58 Of the mathematically possible compositions

00:04:58 --> 00:05:00 of Theia and the early Earth that result from

00:05:00 --> 00:05:02 the calculations, some can be ruled out as

00:05:02 --> 00:05:05 implausible. While the composition of the

00:05:05 --> 00:05:07 early Earth can be represented predominantly

00:05:07 --> 00:05:10 as a mixture of known meteorite classes, this

00:05:10 --> 00:05:12 isn't the case with theia. Uh, different

00:05:12 --> 00:05:15 meteorite classes originate from different

00:05:15 --> 00:05:17 areas of the outer solar system. They

00:05:17 --> 00:05:19 therefore serve as references for the

00:05:19 --> 00:05:21 building material that was available during

00:05:21 --> 00:05:24 the formation of both the early Earth and

00:05:24 --> 00:05:26 Theia. In the case of theia, however,

00:05:26 --> 00:05:28 previously unknown material may also have

00:05:28 --> 00:05:31 been involved, and the authors believe that

00:05:31 --> 00:05:34 this material's origin lies closer to the sun

00:05:34 --> 00:05:36 than the orbit of the Earth. The

00:05:36 --> 00:05:39 calculations therefore suggest that THEIA

00:05:39 --> 00:05:42 itself must have originated closer to the sun

00:05:42 --> 00:05:44 than Earth's orbit. This is space

00:05:44 --> 00:05:47 time. Still to come, an update on um,

00:05:47 --> 00:05:50 Lucy's mission to Jupiter's Trojan asteroids.

00:05:50 --> 00:05:52 And NASA rules that the trouble plagued

00:05:52 --> 00:05:54 starliner's next mission to the International

00:05:54 --> 00:05:57 Space Station will be limited to cargo only.

00:05:57 --> 00:06:00 All that and more still to come on um, space

00:06:00 --> 00:06:00 time.

00:06:16 --> 00:06:18 One of the many exciting missions Currently

00:06:18 --> 00:06:21 underway is NASA's Lucy spacecraft which

00:06:21 --> 00:06:23 is on its way to study Jupiter's Trojan

00:06:23 --> 00:06:26 asteroids. Lucy was launched back in October

00:06:26 --> 00:06:29 2021. It's on a 12 year

00:06:29 --> 00:06:32 mission to study the Trojans, two clusters of

00:06:32 --> 00:06:34 asteroids that share the gas giant's orbit

00:06:34 --> 00:06:36 around the sun. Trojans are families of

00:06:36 --> 00:06:39 asteroids kept in gravitationally stable

00:06:39 --> 00:06:42 bound groups at the Lagrangian L4 and L5

00:06:42 --> 00:06:45 positions located 60 degrees ahead and

00:06:45 --> 00:06:47 60 degrees behind Jupiter's orbit around the

00:06:47 --> 00:06:50 Sun. Lagrangian points are

00:06:50 --> 00:06:52 named in honour of the Italian French

00:06:52 --> 00:06:54 mathematician Joseph Louis Lagrange, who was

00:06:54 --> 00:06:57 working on the general three body problem in

00:06:57 --> 00:07:00 orbital mechanics. Lagrangian points are,

00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 uh, places in space where the gravitational

00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 pull of two bodies, such as in this case

00:07:04 --> 00:07:06 between the sun and Jupiter, uh, tend to

00:07:06 --> 00:07:08 cancel each other out, thereby allowing

00:07:08 --> 00:07:10 smaller objects such as asteroids or

00:07:10 --> 00:07:13 spacecraft to remain there for extended

00:07:13 --> 00:07:15 periods of time. There are five

00:07:15 --> 00:07:18 Lagrangian points known as L1, 2,

00:07:18 --> 00:07:20 3, 4 and 5. Now uh, L1,

00:07:20 --> 00:07:23 2 and 3 are all along a line connecting the

00:07:23 --> 00:07:25 two bodies. Let's say it's the Earth and the

00:07:25 --> 00:07:28 Sun. In that case, L1 is between the

00:07:28 --> 00:07:31 Earth and the sun is often used by spacecraft

00:07:31 --> 00:07:32 needing an uninterrupted view of the sun,

00:07:33 --> 00:07:34 such as the Solar and heliospheric

00:07:34 --> 00:07:37 Observatory satellite SOHO. Uh, the L2

00:07:37 --> 00:07:39 position is on the opposite side of the Earth

00:07:39 --> 00:07:41 to the Sun. It's home, um, to spacecraft like

00:07:41 --> 00:07:44 the Webb Space Telescope because it's ideal

00:07:44 --> 00:07:46 for astronomy as spacecraft are still close

00:07:46 --> 00:07:48 enough to communicate with the Earth and can

00:07:48 --> 00:07:50 keep the Sun, Earth and Moon behind them,

00:07:50 --> 00:07:52 allowing them to gain solar power while still

00:07:52 --> 00:07:55 providing a clear dark view of deep space

00:07:55 --> 00:07:58 for their telescopes. The L3 position

00:07:58 --> 00:08:00 is on the opposite side of the sun to where

00:08:00 --> 00:08:03 the earth is. Because L3 is always

00:08:03 --> 00:08:05 hidden from the Earth by the sun, it's become

00:08:05 --> 00:08:08 popular in science fiction as the location

00:08:08 --> 00:08:10 for any hypothetical second Earths.

00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 But it's the L4 and L5 positions which

00:08:13 --> 00:08:15 provide stable orbits around 60 degrees in

00:08:15 --> 00:08:18 front of and 60 degrees behind Earth's orbit

00:08:18 --> 00:08:21 around the Sun. And it's at these locations

00:08:21 --> 00:08:23 where Trojan asteroids, such as those

00:08:23 --> 00:08:25 orbiting with Jupiter are commonly found.

00:08:26 --> 00:08:28 Jupiter's Trojans are, uh, distributed into

00:08:28 --> 00:08:31 two elongated curved regions around these

00:08:31 --> 00:08:33 Lagrangian points, with an average

00:08:33 --> 00:08:35 semicircular axis of around 5.2

00:08:35 --> 00:08:38 astronomical units. An astronomical unit is

00:08:38 --> 00:08:40 the average distance between the Earth and

00:08:40 --> 00:08:43 the Sun, 150 million kilometers, or

00:08:43 --> 00:08:45 8.3 light minutes. The first

00:08:45 --> 00:08:48 Jovian Trojan, discovered, 588 Achilles,

00:08:48 --> 00:08:51 was spotted in 1906 by German astronomer

00:08:51 --> 00:08:53 Max Wolf. So far, uh, more than

00:08:53 --> 00:08:56 15 Jovian Trojans have been

00:08:56 --> 00:08:59 detected. Now, by convention, they're each

00:08:59 --> 00:09:01 named from Greek mythology after a figure of

00:09:01 --> 00:09:04 the Trojan wars, hence the name Trojan.

00:09:04 --> 00:09:07 It later became convention to name Jupiter's

00:09:07 --> 00:09:09 L4 trojan asteroids after Greek characters

00:09:10 --> 00:09:12 and the L5 asteroids after trojan

00:09:12 --> 00:09:15 characters. Astronomers estimate there are

00:09:15 --> 00:09:17 more than a million Jovian Trojans larger

00:09:17 --> 00:09:20 than a kilometer in size. Now, that's about

00:09:20 --> 00:09:22 the same as the number of asteroids larger

00:09:22 --> 00:09:24 than a kilometer in the main asteroid belt

00:09:24 --> 00:09:27 between Mars and Jupiter. Many Jovian

00:09:27 --> 00:09:30 Trojans appear to be dark bodies with reddish

00:09:30 --> 00:09:33 featureless spectra. No firm evidence

00:09:33 --> 00:09:35 of the presence of water or any other

00:09:35 --> 00:09:37 specific compound on their surfaces has ever

00:09:37 --> 00:09:39 been obtained. But it is thought that they

00:09:39 --> 00:09:42 are coated in tholenes, organic polymers

00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 formed by the Sun's radiation. The Jovian

00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 Trojans are thought to have been captured

00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 into their orbits during the early stages of

00:09:49 --> 00:09:51 the solar system's formation, or at the most,

00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 slightly later during the Late Heavy

00:09:53 --> 00:09:55 Bombardment, during the migration of the

00:09:55 --> 00:09:58 giant planets. Mind you, Jupiter isn't

00:09:58 --> 00:10:01 alone to have Trojan asteroids. They've been

00:10:01 --> 00:10:02 found orbiting many of the other planets in

00:10:02 --> 00:10:05 our solar system as well, including Mars,

00:10:05 --> 00:10:07 Neptune, Uranus and even the Earth.

00:10:07 --> 00:10:10 No spacecraft has ever visited a Jovian

00:10:10 --> 00:10:13 Trojan. And that's where the Lucy mission

00:10:13 --> 00:10:15 comes in. Lucy is covering some six and a

00:10:15 --> 00:10:17 half billion kilometres, visiting a record

00:10:17 --> 00:10:20 breaking seven asteroids, one in the main

00:10:20 --> 00:10:22 asteroid belt and six Trojans. The

00:10:22 --> 00:10:24 mission's principal investigator, Harold

00:10:24 --> 00:10:26 Levison from the Southwest Research Institute

00:10:26 --> 00:10:29 in Boulder, Colorado, says Trojans are

00:10:29 --> 00:10:31 leftovers from the early days of our solar

00:10:31 --> 00:10:33 system. Effectively, they're fossils of

00:10:33 --> 00:10:36 planetary formation and therefore hold vital

00:10:36 --> 00:10:38 clues about deciphering the solar system's

00:10:38 --> 00:10:41 early history. He says. Like Lucy,

00:10:41 --> 00:10:44 the human ancestor fossil after which it's

00:10:44 --> 00:10:46 named, the Lucy spacecraft will revolutionize

00:10:46 --> 00:10:48 science's understanding of the solar system's

00:10:48 --> 00:10:51 origins. The mission will provide an

00:10:51 --> 00:10:53 unparalleled glimpse of the formation of the

00:10:53 --> 00:10:55 solar system, helping astronomers better

00:10:55 --> 00:10:57 understand the source of volatiles and

00:10:57 --> 00:10:59 organics on terrestrial planets, as well as

00:10:59 --> 00:11:01 the evolution of the planetary system as a

00:11:01 --> 00:11:04 whole. This Report from NASA

00:11:04 --> 00:11:05 TV we are.

00:11:05 --> 00:11:08 NASA TV: Going to an amazing variety of objects with

00:11:08 --> 00:11:09 this mission.

00:11:09 --> 00:11:11 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: The Lucy mission is going to fly past seven

00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 asteroids in 12 years with one

00:11:14 --> 00:11:15 spacecraft.

00:11:15 --> 00:11:18 NASA TV: And, um, it's really almost pure luck

00:11:18 --> 00:11:21 that allowed us to get as many rich targets

00:11:21 --> 00:11:23 as we are. Literally the planets were

00:11:23 --> 00:11:26 aligning to allow us to do this

00:11:26 --> 00:11:26 mission.

00:11:26 --> 00:11:29 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: The Lucy mission is named after the Lucy

00:11:30 --> 00:11:32 fossil, the Australopithecus fossil that was

00:11:32 --> 00:11:35 discovered in the 1970s in Ethiopia.

00:11:35 --> 00:11:38 And just like the Lucy fossil transformed our

00:11:38 --> 00:11:40 understanding of hominid evolution, the Lucy

00:11:40 --> 00:11:43 mission will transform our understanding of

00:11:43 --> 00:11:44 solar system evolution.

00:11:44 --> 00:11:46 NASA TV: Trojan asteroids are an interesting

00:11:46 --> 00:11:49 population of small bodies that are left over

00:11:49 --> 00:11:52 from the formation of the planets. And they

00:11:52 --> 00:11:54 lead or follow Jupiter in its

00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 orbit by roughly 60 degrees.

00:11:57 --> 00:11:59 If you just look at the gravitational

00:11:59 --> 00:12:02 attraction of the sun and Jupiter and put

00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 something exactly 60 degrees in front of

00:12:04 --> 00:12:07 Jupiter, it's stable forever. So as

00:12:07 --> 00:12:09 a result, these objects are really the

00:12:09 --> 00:12:12 leftovers of planet formation. The stuff that

00:12:12 --> 00:12:15 went into growing Jupiter and Saturn

00:12:15 --> 00:12:17 are now trapped in these

00:12:18 --> 00:12:18 locations.

00:12:19 --> 00:12:21 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: The very first asteroid we get to is a main

00:12:21 --> 00:12:23 belt asteroid named Donaldjohanson Johansen.

00:12:23 --> 00:12:26 We named that asteroid in honor of the

00:12:26 --> 00:12:29 researcher who found the Lucy fossil.

00:12:29 --> 00:12:31 We used that asteroid to, ah, do a rehearsal

00:12:31 --> 00:12:33 on our spacecraft to make sure everything is

00:12:33 --> 00:12:35 working properly so that when we get to the

00:12:35 --> 00:12:37 Trojan asteroids, we're ready to go.

00:12:37 --> 00:12:40 NASA TV: We're visiting both of the Trojan swarms. In

00:12:40 --> 00:12:42 the first orbit, we're going into the leading

00:12:42 --> 00:12:45 swarm and we're going to encounter four

00:12:45 --> 00:12:46 Trojan targets.

00:12:46 --> 00:12:49 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Ear Babies, Palame, Lucas and Oris.

00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 And from this we're going to sample the

00:12:51 --> 00:12:53 diversity in sizes and colors and

00:12:53 --> 00:12:56 compositions. The first two flybys happen

00:12:56 --> 00:12:59 just about 30 days apart. So it's going to be

00:12:59 --> 00:13:02 a pretty busy kickoff to the season of

00:13:03 --> 00:13:05 exploring the asteroids in the L4 swarm. And

00:13:05 --> 00:13:08 then we'll fly past Earth again and out to

00:13:08 --> 00:13:09 the L5 swarm.

00:13:10 --> 00:13:12 NASA TV: The final object we're visiting, which I must

00:13:12 --> 00:13:15 admit is my final favorite, is a binary

00:13:15 --> 00:13:15 object.

00:13:15 --> 00:13:18 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: So that's two Trojans that orbit a common

00:13:18 --> 00:13:20 center of mass. It's called Patroclus and

00:13:20 --> 00:13:21 Menoetius.

00:13:21 --> 00:13:24 NASA TV: These objects are nearly identical in size

00:13:24 --> 00:13:25 that orbit one another.

00:13:26 --> 00:13:28 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: From the Lucy mission, we're going to study

00:13:28 --> 00:13:30 the diversity of our targets because that

00:13:30 --> 00:13:32 tells us something about their origin and

00:13:32 --> 00:13:33 where they came from.

00:13:33 --> 00:13:35 NASA TV: The interesting thing about small bodies in

00:13:35 --> 00:13:38 general is they are the leftovers of planet

00:13:38 --> 00:13:40 formation. M if you look at the eight planets

00:13:40 --> 00:13:42 that we know about, for example, they are

00:13:42 --> 00:13:44 highly processed because of internal

00:13:44 --> 00:13:47 processing. These asteroids are objects

00:13:47 --> 00:13:49 that really haven't changed much

00:13:50 --> 00:13:52 from when the planets assembled themselves.

00:13:52 --> 00:13:55 And as a result, by studying them,

00:13:55 --> 00:13:58 we can figure out the physical conditions

00:13:58 --> 00:14:01 of the early solar system as well as how the

00:14:01 --> 00:14:04 planets grew and how they move

00:14:04 --> 00:14:05 moved around early on.

00:14:05 --> 00:14:08 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: All of that will help us form a detailed

00:14:08 --> 00:14:11 picture of what these objects really look

00:14:11 --> 00:14:14 like. Because right now our best images

00:14:14 --> 00:14:17 are just a point of light. Even using

00:14:17 --> 00:14:20 the Hubble Space Telescope or adaptive optics

00:14:20 --> 00:14:22 on large ground based telescopes, we

00:14:22 --> 00:14:25 can't see surface details. And it's going to

00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 take the LUCY mission to go to these targets

00:14:28 --> 00:14:30 and see what they're really made of and what

00:14:30 --> 00:14:31 they look like.

00:14:31 --> 00:14:31 Stuart Gary: Foreign.

00:14:39 --> 00:14:41 From NASA tv we heard from LUCY Principal

00:14:41 --> 00:14:44 Investigator Hal Levison and LUCY Deputy

00:14:44 --> 00:14:46 Principal Investigator Kathy Olkin, both uh,

00:14:46 --> 00:14:48 from the Southwest Research Institute in

00:14:48 --> 00:14:50 Boulder, Colorado.

00:14:50 --> 00:14:53 This is space time still to come.

00:14:53 --> 00:14:55 NASA says Boeing's trouble plagued Starliner

00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 spacecraft won't be carrying any astronauts

00:14:58 --> 00:15:00 on its next flight to the International Space

00:15:00 --> 00:15:02 Station. And later in the science report,

00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 neurologists have identified the five major

00:15:05 --> 00:15:07 epochs of brain structure over the course of

00:15:07 --> 00:15:10 a human lifetime. All that and more still to

00:15:10 --> 00:15:12 come on space time.

00:15:27 --> 00:15:30 NASA says Boeing's trouble plagued Starliner

00:15:30 --> 00:15:32 spacecraft won't be carrying any astronauts

00:15:32 --> 00:15:34 on its next flight to the International Space

00:15:34 --> 00:15:37 Station. Instead, the mission will be

00:15:37 --> 00:15:40 limited to cargo and supplies only. The

00:15:40 --> 00:15:42 decision comes eight months after the first

00:15:42 --> 00:15:44 and only manned Starliner flight saw the

00:15:44 --> 00:15:47 capsule return to Earth empty, with its crew

00:15:47 --> 00:15:48 left stranded on the International Space

00:15:48 --> 00:15:51 Station for more than nine months. That

00:15:51 --> 00:15:53 followed a series of issues with the

00:15:53 --> 00:15:55 vehicle's propulsion and orbital maneuvering

00:15:55 --> 00:15:57 systems, as well as its helium pressurization

00:15:57 --> 00:15:59 system. And it's not the first time

00:16:00 --> 00:16:02 Starliner suffered issues. Faulty

00:16:02 --> 00:16:04 computer programming prevented the first

00:16:04 --> 00:16:06 Starliner mission to the space station from

00:16:06 --> 00:16:09 even reaching its target. And more faulty

00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 computer programming, which luckily was

00:16:11 --> 00:16:13 corrected in time, would have caused the

00:16:13 --> 00:16:15 Starliner to be destroyed during its re

00:16:15 --> 00:16:17 entry. There have been other problems with

00:16:17 --> 00:16:19 corrosion in the spacecraft's propulsion

00:16:19 --> 00:16:21 system as well. Issues with the strength of

00:16:21 --> 00:16:23 the parachute webbing, the concerns over the

00:16:23 --> 00:16:26 safety of insulation on the spacecraft's

00:16:26 --> 00:16:28 wiring harness, and problems with

00:16:28 --> 00:16:30 environmental controls inside the

00:16:30 --> 00:16:33 spacecraft's cabin. For Starliner, it's

00:16:33 --> 00:16:35 been a case of one problem after another

00:16:35 --> 00:16:38 and it seems NASA's had enough. As well as

00:16:38 --> 00:16:40 limiting its next flight to cargo only,

00:16:40 --> 00:16:42 NASA's also slashed the total number of

00:16:42 --> 00:16:45 Starliner missions down from 6 to 4.

00:16:45 --> 00:16:47 As for Starliner's next flight, that's the

00:16:47 --> 00:16:49 cargo mission. It's currently slated for

00:16:49 --> 00:16:52 April next year. If that goes well, then a

00:16:52 --> 00:16:54 manned mission could happen towards the end

00:16:54 --> 00:16:56 of the year. The remaining two flights will

00:16:56 --> 00:16:58 also carry crew to the International Space

00:16:58 --> 00:17:00 Station until the orbiting outpost is

00:17:00 --> 00:17:02 decommissioned in 2030.

00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 Starliner was one of two spacecraft selected

00:17:06 --> 00:17:09 by NASA back in 2014 as part of the agency's

00:17:09 --> 00:17:10 commercial crew program to transport

00:17:11 --> 00:17:12 astronauts to and um, from m the space

00:17:12 --> 00:17:15 station. But unlike the other successful

00:17:15 --> 00:17:18 applicant, SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft, which

00:17:18 --> 00:17:20 has performed flawlessly, Boeing's Starliner

00:17:20 --> 00:17:22 has suffered from continuous failures and

00:17:22 --> 00:17:25 quality control blunders. It's been a

00:17:25 --> 00:17:27 costly disaster for Boeing.

00:17:28 --> 00:17:30 SpaceX launched its first mannedragon mission

00:17:30 --> 00:17:32 to the space station for NASA in 2020.

00:17:33 --> 00:17:35 It's now completed 12 crew change missions,

00:17:35 --> 00:17:37 as well as several private missions into

00:17:37 --> 00:17:39 orbit. This is

00:17:39 --> 00:17:49 spacetime

00:17:50 --> 00:17:50 Foreign.

00:17:57 --> 00:17:59 Look at some of the other stories making use

00:17:59 --> 00:18:01 in Science this week with the Science report.

00:18:02 --> 00:18:04 Neuroscientists have identified five major

00:18:04 --> 00:18:07 epochs of brain structure over the course of

00:18:07 --> 00:18:10 a human lifetime. The findings, reported in

00:18:10 --> 00:18:12 the journal Nature Communications, show how

00:18:12 --> 00:18:15 human brains rewire themselves to support

00:18:15 --> 00:18:17 different ways of thinking as people grow,

00:18:18 --> 00:18:20 mature, and ultimately decline.

00:18:20 --> 00:18:23 A study led by Cambridge University compared

00:18:23 --> 00:18:26 the brains of 3 people between

00:18:26 --> 00:18:28 0 and 90 years of age. Using MRI

00:18:28 --> 00:18:31 scans, which map neural connections by

00:18:31 --> 00:18:33 tracking how water molecules move through

00:18:33 --> 00:18:36 brain tissue. They found the brain structure

00:18:36 --> 00:18:38 for an average human life is split up into

00:18:38 --> 00:18:40 four pivotal turning points between birth and

00:18:40 --> 00:18:43 death. It seems childhood brain topology

00:18:43 --> 00:18:46 runs from birth until a turning point at

00:18:46 --> 00:18:48 around age 9. That's when it transitions to

00:18:48 --> 00:18:51 an adolescent phase. That's an era that lasts

00:18:51 --> 00:18:54 up until the age of around 32 on average.

00:18:54 --> 00:18:57 The brain's neural wiring then shifts into a

00:18:57 --> 00:18:59 more adult mode. This is the longest era,

00:18:59 --> 00:19:02 which can last over three decades. A third

00:19:02 --> 00:19:04 turning point, around the age of 66, marks

00:19:04 --> 00:19:07 the start of an early aging phase of brain

00:19:07 --> 00:19:10 architecture. And finally, the late aging

00:19:10 --> 00:19:13 brain takes shape around the age of 83

00:19:13 --> 00:19:16 years old. So what's going on

00:19:16 --> 00:19:18 inside the noggin? Well, during the early

00:19:18 --> 00:19:20 childhood phase, the brain undergoes network

00:19:20 --> 00:19:23 consolidation as a wealth of synapses that's

00:19:23 --> 00:19:25 the connections between neurons overproduced

00:19:25 --> 00:19:27 in a baby's brain are whittled down, with

00:19:27 --> 00:19:30 only the more active ones surviving across

00:19:30 --> 00:19:32 the whole human brain connections rewire in

00:19:32 --> 00:19:34 the same pattern from birth until about nine

00:19:34 --> 00:19:37 years of age. Meanwhile, grey and white

00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 matter grow rapidly in volume, so that

00:19:39 --> 00:19:41 cortical thickness, that's the distance

00:19:41 --> 00:19:43 between the outer gray matter and the inner

00:19:43 --> 00:19:45 white matter, reaches a peak, and cortical

00:19:45 --> 00:19:47 folding, that's the characteristic ridges on

00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 the outer brain stabilizes by the first

00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 turning point at around the age of nine, the

00:19:53 --> 00:19:55 brain is experiencing a step change in

00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 cognitive capacity as well as an increased

00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 risk of mental health disorders. The second

00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 epoch of the brain, that's the adolescent

00:20:02 --> 00:20:05 era, sees white matter continue to grow in

00:20:05 --> 00:20:07 volume. So organization of the brain's

00:20:07 --> 00:20:09 communications network is increasingly

00:20:09 --> 00:20:11 refined as measured by the diffusion of water

00:20:11 --> 00:20:14 in the scans. This error is defined by

00:20:14 --> 00:20:16 the efficiency of connections both within

00:20:16 --> 00:20:18 specific regions as well as rapid

00:20:18 --> 00:20:20 communication right across the whole brain,

00:20:20 --> 00:20:22 which is related to enhanced cognitive

00:20:22 --> 00:20:25 performance. Neural efficiency is well

00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 connected by short pathways and the

00:20:27 --> 00:20:29 adolescent era is the only one in which this

00:20:29 --> 00:20:31 efficiency is increasing. The authors say

00:20:31 --> 00:20:33 these developments of the brain peak in the

00:20:33 --> 00:20:36 early 30s, which is the strongest topological

00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 turning point for the entire lifespan. At

00:20:39 --> 00:20:42 age 32, the longest era, that of adulthood,

00:20:42 --> 00:20:45 begins, Brain architecture stabilizes

00:20:45 --> 00:20:47 compared to previous phases with no major

00:20:47 --> 00:20:49 turning points for 30 years and corresponds

00:20:49 --> 00:20:51 with a plateau uh in intelligence and

00:20:51 --> 00:20:54 personality. They also found segregation is

00:20:54 --> 00:20:56 more noticeable during this epoch as

00:20:56 --> 00:20:58 different regions of the brain slowly start

00:20:58 --> 00:21:01 to become more compartmentalized. The turning

00:21:01 --> 00:21:03 point at age 66 sees reduced

00:21:03 --> 00:21:06 connectivity as white matter starts to

00:21:06 --> 00:21:08 degenerate. The last turning point comes

00:21:08 --> 00:21:11 around the age of 83 when the brain structure

00:21:11 --> 00:21:14 shifts from global to local regions as neural

00:21:14 --> 00:21:15 connectivity declines.

00:21:17 --> 00:21:19 A long term study has shown that water

00:21:19 --> 00:21:21 fluoridation doesn't have any negative

00:21:21 --> 00:21:23 effects on brain development. In fact, the

00:21:23 --> 00:21:25 findings reported in the journal Science

00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 Advances actually found a slight boost in

00:21:28 --> 00:21:30 cognition in children. Previous studies

00:21:30 --> 00:21:32 looked at exposure to very high levels of

00:21:32 --> 00:21:34 fluoride far uh beyond recommended standards.

00:21:34 --> 00:21:37 So the authors of this new research wanted to

00:21:37 --> 00:21:39 study levels representative of what would

00:21:39 --> 00:21:42 usually find in their tap water. They looked

00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 at language and math test results from around

00:21:44 --> 00:21:47 58 United States high school kids in

00:21:47 --> 00:21:49 1980 and the water fluoridation levels they

00:21:49 --> 00:21:51 would have experienced since conception.

00:21:52 --> 00:21:54 After accounting for other factors, they

00:21:54 --> 00:21:56 found kids continuously exposed to at least

00:21:56 --> 00:21:58 0.7 milligrams per liter of water fluoride

00:21:58 --> 00:22:01 had better test results followed by those

00:22:01 --> 00:22:03 exposed to similar levels for just part of

00:22:03 --> 00:22:06 their childhood. China's

00:22:06 --> 00:22:08 People Liberation army has reported the

00:22:08 --> 00:22:10 successful test of a new type of non nuclear

00:22:10 --> 00:22:13 hydrogen bomb. A report in the Chinese

00:22:13 --> 00:22:15 Language Journal of Projectiles, Rockets,

00:22:15 --> 00:22:17 Missiles and Guidance claims the new weapon

00:22:17 --> 00:22:20 generates a white hot fireball that can last

00:22:20 --> 00:22:23 15 times longer than a TNT blast.

00:22:23 --> 00:22:26 The 2 kilogram device uses magnesium

00:22:26 --> 00:22:28 hydride, a magnesium based solid state

00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 hydrogen material which generated a fireball

00:22:30 --> 00:22:33 of over 1000 degrees Celsius.

00:22:33 --> 00:22:35 This material stores considerably more

00:22:35 --> 00:22:37 hydrogen than a pressurized tank and was

00:22:37 --> 00:22:39 originally developed to bring the gas to off

00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 grid areas where it could then be used to

00:22:41 --> 00:22:43 power fuel cells for clean electricity and

00:22:43 --> 00:22:46 heat. When activated by conventional

00:22:46 --> 00:22:48 explosives, the magnesium hydride bomb

00:22:48 --> 00:22:51 underwent rapid thermal decomposition,

00:22:51 --> 00:22:53 releasing hydrogen gas that ignited into a

00:22:53 --> 00:22:56 sustained, rapidly spreading inferno. The

00:22:56 --> 00:22:59 chain reaction begins when detonation shock

00:22:59 --> 00:23:02 waves fracture magnesium hydride into micron

00:23:02 --> 00:23:04 scale particles, exposing fresh surfaces

00:23:05 --> 00:23:07 under constrained detonation peak

00:23:07 --> 00:23:09 overpressure reached 428.43

00:23:09 --> 00:23:12 kPa at 2 metres, about 40%

00:23:12 --> 00:23:14 that of TNT's blast force, but with a far

00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 greater heat projection range.

00:23:18 --> 00:23:20 Well, the doomsday countdown to digital ID

00:23:20 --> 00:23:23 is now on. This time next week,

00:23:23 --> 00:23:26 Australia's controversial new social media

00:23:26 --> 00:23:28 bans for children under the age of 16 will

00:23:28 --> 00:23:31 come into effect. The world first legislation

00:23:31 --> 00:23:33 is being marketed as a way to protect kids

00:23:33 --> 00:23:36 from bullying, but it doesn't stop kids

00:23:36 --> 00:23:38 using left wing social media platforms like

00:23:38 --> 00:23:41 bluesky or for that matter, chat rooms in

00:23:41 --> 00:23:43 many of the most popular computer games.

00:23:44 --> 00:23:47 In reality, it's a thinly disguised Trojan

00:23:47 --> 00:23:50 horse designed to force all Australian adults

00:23:50 --> 00:23:53 to adopt a digital ID as if they want to

00:23:53 --> 00:23:54 retain access to their own social media

00:23:54 --> 00:23:57 accounts. It's a way around the public's

00:23:57 --> 00:24:00 objection to the defeated Australia Card ID

00:24:00 --> 00:24:03 scheme of the 1980s, which was overwhelmingly

00:24:03 --> 00:24:06 rejected by the people. So why

00:24:06 --> 00:24:08 the fear mongering? Well, digital ID

00:24:08 --> 00:24:11 will allow faceless bureaucrats, security

00:24:11 --> 00:24:13 organizations and politicians to develop a,

00:24:13 --> 00:24:15 uh, Big Brother style digital link,

00:24:15 --> 00:24:17 connecting everything, monitoring everything

00:24:17 --> 00:24:20 you do, where you go, what you look at and

00:24:20 --> 00:24:23 even what you say, in the process providing

00:24:23 --> 00:24:25 fact based insights into what you're

00:24:25 --> 00:24:27 thinking. Then there's the issue of security

00:24:27 --> 00:24:30 and how easily your digital ID and all it

00:24:30 --> 00:24:32 contains about you can be hacked. Your

00:24:32 --> 00:24:35 digital ID will be the Australian answer to

00:24:35 --> 00:24:38 Beijing's social credit scheme, where those

00:24:38 --> 00:24:40 not considered worthy by China's Communist

00:24:40 --> 00:24:42 Party face restrictions in where they can

00:24:42 --> 00:24:44 live, where they can go, what they have

00:24:44 --> 00:24:47 access to, how they can travel and where

00:24:47 --> 00:24:50 their children can go to school. Australians

00:24:50 --> 00:24:52 saw the first hints of what's to come during

00:24:52 --> 00:24:54 the COVID pandemic, when voluntary digital ID

00:24:54 --> 00:24:56 schemes were repeatedly used by police to

00:24:56 --> 00:24:59 track people's movements. Technology editor

00:24:59 --> 00:25:02 Alex Zahara Vroit from TechAdvice Life says,

00:25:02 --> 00:25:05 In simple terms, this new digital ID scheme

00:25:05 --> 00:25:08 will be a key step in the erosion of people's

00:25:08 --> 00:25:10 rights. It's only one small slice,

00:25:11 --> 00:25:13 but step by step those rights will

00:25:13 --> 00:25:16 disappear and it all starts next week.

00:25:16 --> 00:25:18 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Look, there seems to be this concerted effort

00:25:18 --> 00:25:21 globally to want to set up digital id and

00:25:21 --> 00:25:23 this clearly is something that will remove

00:25:23 --> 00:25:25 anonymity from the Internet. Everything you

00:25:25 --> 00:25:26 do will be tracked. And it's all being done

00:25:26 --> 00:25:29 under the guise of won't somebody protect the

00:25:29 --> 00:25:31 children? And, you know, Roblox, for example,

00:25:31 --> 00:25:33 has algorithms. You've got to take a photo of

00:25:33 --> 00:25:34 your face and they're looking at the various

00:25:34 --> 00:25:36 things you've been doing in the system. But

00:25:36 --> 00:25:38 ultimately we're relying upon algorithms to

00:25:38 --> 00:25:40 figure these things out. And the only real

00:25:40 --> 00:25:42 way of doing it is to get some sort of an ID

00:25:42 --> 00:25:44 from a parent, from, you know, a passport,

00:25:44 --> 00:25:46 something to prove that you are of a certain

00:25:46 --> 00:25:48 age. But again, this is going to remove

00:25:48 --> 00:25:51 anonymity from the Internet and everything

00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 that you will do will be tracked. And so

00:25:53 --> 00:25:56 there is a movement now to not comply with

00:25:56 --> 00:25:58 digital id, but this is happening globally.

00:25:58 --> 00:26:00 Around the world. Governments are all coming

00:26:00 --> 00:26:03 together to put these social media bans in

00:26:03 --> 00:26:04 place. Malaysia is doing it, the UK wants

00:26:04 --> 00:26:07 digital ID. And I, uh, don't know if VPNs are

00:26:07 --> 00:26:08 going to be enough. There needs to be a

00:26:08 --> 00:26:11 pushback from the public to say no. And even

00:26:11 --> 00:26:12 in Australia we have a couple of young kids

00:26:12 --> 00:26:14 who are taking the government to the High

00:26:14 --> 00:26:17 court to have the digital ID system blocked.

00:26:17 --> 00:26:19 So this seems to be a watershed moment in,

00:26:19 --> 00:26:21 um, the, uh, modern civilisation.

00:26:21 --> 00:26:24 Stuart Gary: Is this really part of a surreptitious

00:26:24 --> 00:26:26 effort by governments to just gain control

00:26:27 --> 00:26:29 over everything you have access to all the

00:26:29 --> 00:26:30 information you get?

00:26:30 --> 00:26:32 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Well, look, it certainly seems that way. I

00:26:32 --> 00:26:33 mean, everything that the governments have

00:26:33 --> 00:26:35 been trying to do, even in Australia we had

00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 conservative and socialist governments and

00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 they tried all sorts of firewalls and they

00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 tried various things to try and control

00:26:42 --> 00:26:42 people.

00:26:43 --> 00:26:45 Stuart Gary: Yeah, we had the attempt of an Australia card

00:26:45 --> 00:26:48 years ago and, uh, the citizenry

00:26:48 --> 00:26:50 resoundedly said no to that. But it doesn't

00:26:50 --> 00:26:52 stop the bureaucrats or the politicians from

00:26:52 --> 00:26:54 wanting to implement that. We had a situation

00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 where we had special ID for Covid that

00:26:57 --> 00:26:59 simply gave the police a chance to, to track

00:26:59 --> 00:27:00 everyone's movements.

00:27:00 --> 00:27:03 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Yeah, yeah. Papers, please. As we saw in, uh,

00:27:03 --> 00:27:06 Nazi Germany. Look, the problem is that the

00:27:06 --> 00:27:08 unelected deep state globally wants control.

00:27:08 --> 00:27:10 They want to stay in power, they want to do

00:27:10 --> 00:27:12 the things they have been accused of doing,

00:27:12 --> 00:27:14 um, and maintain power and debase the

00:27:14 --> 00:27:16 currency and do all these things that some

00:27:16 --> 00:27:18 claim are conspiracies. But it's clear that

00:27:18 --> 00:27:20 if you can maintain your position of power

00:27:20 --> 00:27:22 and you can worm your way through the system,

00:27:22 --> 00:27:24 why wouldn't you do it? And we've seen that

00:27:24 --> 00:27:26 time and again throughout history and in the

00:27:26 --> 00:27:28 21st century with all of the digital

00:27:28 --> 00:27:30 technologies now at the disposal of big tech.

00:27:30 --> 00:27:32 But Also government. Well, we're seeing them

00:27:32 --> 00:27:34 work together and trying to hold people down.

00:27:34 --> 00:27:36 I mean, thank goodness for the United States

00:27:36 --> 00:27:38 and their First Amendment. The deep space is

00:27:38 --> 00:27:41 fighting back. And it's up to us as

00:27:41 --> 00:27:43 citizens, global citizens, to say no. We

00:27:43 --> 00:27:46 don't want unelected people to usurp

00:27:46 --> 00:27:48 our privacy.

00:27:48 --> 00:27:51 Stuart Gary: We're sort of seeing human rights disappear

00:27:51 --> 00:27:52 one by one. And it's not that they're being

00:27:52 --> 00:27:55 taken from us. The citizenry are gladly

00:27:55 --> 00:27:57 giving them up, it seems, for an easier life.

00:27:57 --> 00:27:59 Alex Zaharov-Reutt: Benjamin Franklin said that if you give up a

00:27:59 --> 00:28:01 little liberty for a little security, then

00:28:01 --> 00:28:04 you deserve neither. And this is where

00:28:04 --> 00:28:07 people abdicating their responsibilities

00:28:07 --> 00:28:10 as human beings to Big Brother is the fast

00:28:10 --> 00:28:12 track to dystopia. I mean, that's why we had

00:28:12 --> 00:28:14 Animal Farm. That's why we had 1984 from

00:28:14 --> 00:28:15 George Orwell. That's why we've had so many

00:28:15 --> 00:28:18 movies and TV shows about dystopia, because

00:28:18 --> 00:28:20 people are worried. I mean, these are

00:28:20 --> 00:28:22 warnings to ourselves to not let this sort of

00:28:22 --> 00:28:24 thing happen to us. We live at a time where,

00:28:24 --> 00:28:27 as Ronald Reagan said, freedom and liberty is

00:28:27 --> 00:28:29 not passed down through the bloodline, but

00:28:29 --> 00:28:31 must be fought for and protected by every

00:28:31 --> 00:28:34 generation. And, uh, we stand at the point

00:28:34 --> 00:28:36 at which the future generations of this

00:28:36 --> 00:28:38 planet could be living under dystopia. Let's

00:28:38 --> 00:28:39 hope that that doesn't happen.

00:28:39 --> 00:28:41 Stuart Gary: That's Alex Zaharov-Reutt Roy from TechAdvice

00:28:41 --> 00:28:44 Live. And just in case you think advanced

00:28:44 --> 00:28:46 algorithms will circumvent all the problems

00:28:46 --> 00:28:49 of digital IDs, think again. Remember,

00:28:49 --> 00:28:51 these are the same sophisticated algorithms

00:28:51 --> 00:28:53 which keep flagging our space time posts,

00:28:53 --> 00:28:56 displaying astronomical images of exoplanets

00:28:56 --> 00:28:58 as possible pornography. I mean,

00:28:58 --> 00:29:01 granted, it is space porn, but that's not

00:29:01 --> 00:29:03 what the algorithms are thinking. This is

00:29:03 --> 00:29:04 space time.

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