2025 Wrap Up: PASport VO, AI Reality Checks, Source-Connect Myths and What We Learned This Year

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I mean, how the heck can you summarize what we went through in this year? Because it's I. Can't remember what I did yesterday. Yeah, as a show, we actually had a really good year. Absolutely, the show has actually done well. We had some good spats, didn't I mean. The big thing about the Year of the Passport. Wouldn't that be one of the biggest things of the year. Well, that would be one of the biggest things. Our biggest, Our biggest episode for the year from Memory was the episode where we talked about weird direction in sessions, you know, like the weirdest thing you've heard. That was our biggest That is our biggest downloaded one. Yeah, that's the one that gets reactions for sure, because everyone goes, oh, I've got one. Yeah, yeah, can you make it? What was can you make it sound like you're dead inside? And all that sort of stuff? What a direction it sounded like, AI, Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's right. Well, the story that kicked off the year on our episode list on the fourteenth of January was the Austrian audio joins DPA, So. That was a big I just kind of forgot about that in the first place, that's right. Yeah, it's been very quiet since that was announced that you wouldn't never you would never really know. They're not stepping on each other, doesn't just wanting to get to, you know, involved with the Austrian audio. It's just and when to build their portfolio. And I should have brought my DPA microphones to the Messiah. I could have brought my forty elevens. Yeah, your forty elevens would have been appropriate. Are they still in good shape? They are, Yeah, those are They're tough to use because they're one hundred and ninety two volts, so they need a special pre amp. And oh that's right, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Absolutely. But yeah, that's how we kicked off the year. And then the passport was here. That was like a big deal obviously, and so we talked a lot about the passport. We demonstrated it, we used it, We did user guides. You know, we really just we we really got into. When you say two way recording, you you did the user guides, George. Although we did do an well we did do an episode on the we didn't we did an audio guide user guide. I think in the middle of that episode we came up with another use case. In the middle of like we did. Yeah, seven or eight default setting like scenarios, and we came up with an eighth one, which I think ended up on the document the PDF that you get with the user guide. Oh cool, you know the one I send people to a lot though, that we did, and I'm reminded just seeing it here in front of me, is the the iced sorry not the ic TM bridge, the bridge between three Source Connect three and four. Oh. I send people to that a lot because a few people on LinkedIn and a couple on Facebook have sort of said I'm on three, there on four and it won't connect, so I can't do this session, so you can. Because they ignore all the messages. Let's say these don't work with each other. Yeah, we really did put a lot of messages in there because early on, like people are like, what that's going on. We're like, all right now we're going to like shower you with like clarity. But I reckon that would be easily the one I've shared the most over the year this year would be that that episode, like the most times I've sort of gone, we'll have go and have a listen to this because it'll be helpful. Well. It's interesting though, because I did a session only recent couple actually with the studio in Melbourne and they just used Source Connect three. But I do know because Robert told me they have Source connect four. But I think it's because the majority of people, particularly in. Australia, Australia in particular, like I'm going to use an old one, but Australia is holding on it's as Connect three, like it's the last piece of wood that fell off the Titanic. Well, see the thing is down here, I guess is it's still not widely used. That's the thing. You know, like people are going, oh, I've got source Connect, but no one's really using it, you know, people, it's still Zoom sessions and that sort of stuff. For the for the direct session two clients are using Zoom and then they're just doing agency level. Agency level sessions are certainly source Connect but sort of you drop down those sort of lower tier I shouldn't say lower tier, but those other levels of recording session and and it's still all zoom. And it's like say, it's kind of like self directed sessions, but they're just client directed but talent recorded. That's what they are. That's right, exactly, yes, exactly, Like we're recording this podcast right now, we're all recording our own past. So yeah, so you know, it's like it's one of those it's one of those things I think that it's just sort of more a usage case than a sort of you know. It's interesting though, because I did Somerset did, watched a few sessions with a studio in New York, and then I did a session with a studio in La So I was in here at seven o'clock in the morning recording down the line. But it was done through teams, I think from memory, and I've recorded on my end and then sent the file. Yeah, so clients supervised talent recorded send us the files. It's always funny. I was, you know, and we have clients sometimes that will say, we'll do the recording and we'll give you the files because they don't want to pay for the engineer to do the recording session. They think they're going to save like one hour, and we always explain to them like, you're not. Because you're going to give us files. You're going to say you're going to take notes. The notes will be unclear, someone will get off in the take numbers, and it's going to take the hour that you think you're going to save is going to take the engineer an hour to go through it all and figure it out. And if anything goes wrong for the engineer not to catch at the time, you will have missed your opportunity to catch it because you're not really monitoring in quality and you're not just there's things that can go wrong that an engineer make catch if you have them on the line, and they're going to have to spend the time anyways. So it was weird because with one of those, I'm in the Somerset one Cheese in the booth. I'm actually engineering out here, so you know, I'm slating and all that each take and all that kind of stuff and capturing the audio. Right, And what really should have happened is you should have been like Somerset is five hundred dollars an hour, and Andrew is fifty bucks an hour or whatever, orangineer it gets Pete Yep. Yeah, it's funny though, you're talking about about not hearing stuff though, Robic, because I got I got caught out like that earlier this year doing a demo for someone. They didn't have source connects, so we just did it like this down the line, met on Google Meet and they just recorded themselves likely and as best as I could tell, it sounded good, and I'd got them to send me a file. But in the meantime, since they'd sent me a file and by the time we did this session, they decided that they were going to put a DSA on their mic and they did it live. You I did it straight. It's in between the in between the the you know, the microphone and the computer, and they put it in there or in between that and whatever they were recording on so burned into the far So yeah, so it sounded okay when I was talking on there, but as soon as the the file arrives, it's like, fun, where's all the yes is gone? Especially with platforms like Zoom and teams, because there's all kinds of noise reduction, so there might be a fan and who knows what going on in the background, and those systems are pretty good at getting rid of that from the point of view of a meeting realm. But then when you get the phone, they're like, oh, crap, there's a whole bunch of the crap here that we could. Have got to deal with. Yeah, you got to deal with it now. And also you have no idea what the levels are you get the file. It could be you know, clipping like crazy. You just don't know, or too low or whatever. I did myself the other night. I was it was like eleven o'clock at night, and I was recording a video. I started this little series a minute on your mic that I'm doing on social media. A minute it was like a minute on your mind, and I wasn't really thinking about it, and I was sort of doing a quick mic comparison and I was chucking Mike's up and down. Wasn't really thinking about what I was doing. But I couldn't hear it at the time. Didn't hear it at the time, but I plugged. I sort of did the mix and all that sort of stuff and played it back and had did my confidence monitoring the headphones and realized that there was it would have been the NTG five because that's probably the loudest out of the ones I compared. Was actually sort of slightly distorting sort of thing, and because it was so late, I wasn't really this list. I was just focused on just get this fucking thing done because it's got to go out tomorrow. And I played it back and went, oh, fuck, now I've got to go back and do that whole bit again. Yeah, Well, that was something we touched on I'm sure during the year as we are talking about things we've talked about during the year. Yeah, we've also gotten a chat with Vanguard Microphones. Remember I'm remember. And I heard that he's relocated to Pennsylvania. So I reached out to him and I said, hey, if we maybe could meet up while I'm visiting, and he said, I think it's on your end, our time's up. Where is that coming from me? I think it's on Robbo's end. It's the remote locator tone. What the fuck is this? Would you end that podcast already? One of the keys is one of the keays is left the room mite for the Apple for the Google TV in the and she's session fright. It's funny, it's amazing she knew how to do that. Most people won't even know how to make that work. She's rewinding it. So, yeah, to Pennsylvania. Right by the time you're hearing this, I may be in Pennsylvania actually, because I'm visiting my family in Westchester, Pennsylvania, which is suburb of Philadelphia. And Eric is that far from there either. And I reached out by email and said, hey, maybe we can get together. Derek. I'm sorry, Derek and Eric and he was like, yeah, that'd be great. When do you think so? Maybe in January, since I'll be there for a week after the first we might get to meet up. I don't know, you see what he's up to over there, so that'll be fun. He was very very interesting because he like super nerdy and you know. Super nerdy, but still you could you know, you didn't get too lost in the weeds. We learned a lot about Mike Capsules. I remember about the voicing and and how much that really has to do with the sound of things. And also the basket. I think he talked about how the basket you know, dictates right sound and whatever. Yeah, and we also another milestone this year, I think kind of a milestone. We had a couple of really talented women voice actors who were you know, movers and shakers in their own right, like building doors with Christy Harris, Ye was excellent guest. And then not long after we had Sissy Jones and Larissa Gallagher who are working on their own tools AI for AI and they're really trying to you know, it. Was like ethical AI, right, isn't that what it is? Yeah? Yeah, I haven't heard anything that since actually, and The wo was that they were going to come to Sydney for the Voice of the conferences happening next year. I believe, I know they were listed on the potential guests, so I have no idea. Well, you know, I did use one of the robots to ask what were the big takeaways and the big themes of our year? What do you think was the number one recurring theme of the year. Hey, don't process your audio? No, that would maybe last year have. Been top ten. It was definitely the industry is changing fast. It's not always in our favor, and AI contracts, platform shifts. Twenty twenty five was the year voice actors stopped asking you if AI would affect them and started dealing with the consequences. Right, That was a big part of the year. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, And we all talk about AI constantly here. I mean, we're all using it and try to figure out what it's useful for. And we were just saying, how like it's cool for like doing something like I'm doing now where I'm summarizing a lot of content quickly and getting some talking points. But when you want it to do real work and give you real, accurate information and things you can actually hang your hat on or run a business on, or Everything has to be proofed. Everything has to be verified, Everything has to be double checked. Like I've blue in the face asked CHATGBT to give me useful information like look at my website and give me a summary of all the products I sell on my site. Okay, I mean that's not easy, but it's still something that you could pay a human being an hour to do thirty forty bucks to literally make a document and it would be accurate and you would know what have everything. Instead, I could spend half an hour trying to give it prompts to give me something that's useful, that's actually comprehensive and accurate. Ain't gonna happen? Not gonna happen. Yeah, that is one of the questions. I mean, just them people trying to hire AI voices. I understand that AI voices from a reused point of view, maybe are more affordable, but when you really look at the recording session and trying to get what you want out of AI, because wasn't one of them that you someone did about like trying to direct AI and all, like the stupid crab. Yeah, the stupid crap you'd get out of it. Like, oh yeah, I mean he just he had a guy on recently who claims. You know, he's like, oh, you just don't know what you're doing. You know, he's like a tech tech nerd, and he's like, you're just did you You're a bad prompt and. Direct a real person. Even this massive prompt, massive like with so much direction in it, it was still a disaster. Right, And how long did it take you to make that prompt? You know, that could have been two words With an actor that can read the room and understand what's going on and get the vibe of the script all it wants. Has experience as a context and has lived a life and all these things. But there's other things like with language as well, where I mentioned before a few months ago that someone played me what they I thought was a go take for one of the sessions, and they decided to flip and change and got me to do the voice. And it was a female and I couldn't understand why they didn't stay with what they had because it's had it fine to me, And it was like, oh, well that you know, there was a couple of words that they're mispronounced, and I'm thinking, well, why don't you just do some pickups? And then it was kind of like I went into the house and I was playing it to my son. He went, that's an AI. I'm like, holy shit, So it. Is because at that moment too, yes. And the thing was that that's why they couldn't get the thing back, because even if they did use the AI, it's still going to make the same mistakes. And even if you use phonetics in the script to you know, for the AI to get the pronunciation correct, it's so difficult because phonetics change with the accents. So I get sent phonetics, you know, like there's a word from the Middle East or Singapore or something, and they'll give me a they will spend it that phonetically, but their phonetics is based on their accent. If they're Indian or Chinese or Arabic. The way they say a word is so different to the way we would say it, so they're phonetics don't work for us. So if you can't, if you can't get a human to do it, you got buckleys of getting a AI to do it. Oh yeah, and then try to get AI to do the same thing twice, but change one aspect of the performance. Right, you just get a completely different thing. Yeah, No, you can't do it. You can say like, I want exactly the same thing that was you nailed it, but I need you to just a little something on the branding and blah blah blah blah. Nope, you'll get a different performance every time. And that's the whole point. You're going to spend more time trying to wrestle AI than having a human interaction with somebody and getting it done quicker, with higher quality. And that's right. The question is, I don't think there's any creatives out there. I don't think there's any art director or writer that wants to use AI. I think it's all the accountants and the CEOs and the people that are paying the bills are like, you go to use AI, and they don't realize that they're not. They're making like they assume everything gets made with quality because they want to be quality, and they don't realize they're forcing people to lose quality in their product and things like advertising. It's a subtle thing, right, It's like you're trying to get a reaction out of somebody, and some of the stuff can be pretty subtle too, you know, lock into somebody. It's not always you know, clients always think that if you just say the price point more times like people are going to get it. And it's not that it's how it's delivered, it's what catches somebody. And those are all subtle things that you should do. You should make more. Executives use chat GBT to write love letters to their partners, yes and say how did that turn out? How susy? It's funny talk about direction though, This is I know we've talked about taking direction and understanding direction. This is the thing you never want to hear. Well, it's got two things. Actually, if it's a tag, you put two hours aside because I can guarantee that's how long it's going to take to get the tag down. But secondly, when you hear someone go that was absolutely perfect, well I love it. But and you go as soon as you hear that. But after the ship, here we go. We're down the rabbit hole. We're not coming out for a while. Can we just try one more? It's never one though, they say, can we try one more? It's never one. My takes aren't potato chips. Thank you very much. Yes, some other topics that were big recurring themes. Gear matters less than people think, but understanding it matters more. Yeah, that's what. The same goes to your room as well. Gear are your rooms. You've preached on that so many times. But it's a recurring theme for sure. The right use of the right kind of gear, but not the specific at. The right time, in the right place in your channel. It's something that I've changed. And this is going a bit off topic, which is what we normally do. I've got four channels in here, but I only use I've cut it down to two and I've locked in. I have the grace through the four and six through the grace and the eight one eight through the knees and that's it. So I have the grace. So you're not using the O C eight. You're using the OC eight is on your is your road set up? Okay? Yep. Yeah. I'm really looking forward to getting the super cardioid version because I think that'll be fantastic on the road as long as you get your mic technique right. It's like not the not not quite as strict as the four one six and not quite as open as the normally when it's kind of right in the middle. Yeah. The funny thing about the tube, the line gradient, is that what we call those the four sixteens and the like. Yeah, yeah, the capsules farther from the tip than We all talked about that too. How the capsule is actually quite a bit so like it's it's not as it's harder to make make up like really bad plosives on a forty one six and it's swallowing one six, but it's much harder to really make it sound bad because you never really get that close to the capsule, whereas a pencil mic oc eight sc the se are right there, the capsules right there, and you can blast the bi Jesus out of that capsule. I mean, I'm using one here, and I do have the included wind screen, which is actually really effective, but I certainly have a high pass filter on this thing too. You can also use theipup screen in your aquarium if you need. Yeah, that's true, it is not all that different. I heard it sounds great if you take it straight out of the aquarium and put it right on the mind. In fact, actually here's an experiment. Here's the I'm holding in my hand the aquarium, the actual one dollar pool aquarium filter, and I'm using the stock one that comes with the Okay, so, Peter Pider, what is it. Please bring pizza Pronto. Please bring pizza Pronto. That's what the says, right, all right, we'll take that one off and. Do it without without anything. Please bring pizza pronto. Please bring pizza proNT clipping. And then this is the dollar filter from the aquarium. Okay, here we go. Please bring pizza pronto. Please bring pizza pronco. Yeah. Oh, I said you could talk George. George, you got to remove the goldfish from that. But because that was great. Yeah, pretty similar, George. That reminds me of send me a link to whichever one you use. I gotta I gotta get me a few. Im from I'll send you a bag. You put some other stuff in the bag, please, yes. Yeah. Another topic, the other Biggie was the myth busting is still one of the biggest things that we do because your audience is drowning in bad advice. You know what you know, changing the subjecting and I'd like to know who found that. I would hear airport a bag of pooch in the pop plant outside the airport. I'd like to know too, because that's mine. You know about that? I told you about that, Andrew, Yes, I was so pissed off. That's funny. Oh man, Yeah, it's been great. I mean, we love what we do. I don't know what is there anything we would change for next year? Have you guys thought about I mean, you know we've dabbled in video, then we backed off on video. Certainly, don't expect to be any more professional. I mean that's for sure. None of this Well, i'd i'd be curious to what you guys as our audience like the value of video, Like have you been missing our video? That we haven't done much video? We should ask the audience do we need to do video right? Like we'd like to hear from. Missing out on because like you know, we used video for a while because we could, and so we were doing it as a team effort, and frankly, I'll be honest, it was me putting a lot of more effort. In it's exponential a lot of the video is. And then it was a team lift because Robo was still doing his mix and then getting into sync and and so we used it great. We used it heavily for our pot for all of our passport stuff, because we wanted to demonstrate it and show it and review it. And then it was like, wait, you know these long form interviews do they really do? They really doesn't really matter to have. I didn't think that some people are more open when there isn't video. I think that's true. I think, yeah, it's more intimank you. You got to mosque if there's not a video. It's interesting seeing how many podcasts I go on these days though, that our video like a lot of them, well video. Christy from Sliding Doors, who I've been on her podcast, that was video. There's another one I was on a couple of months ago that was video. And there's one that I'm going on just after Christmas, in between Christmas and year that's videos. It seems like you have to do video just to be relevant in the industry. But my question of the audience is like I know a lot of people that listen to video, like there's a video podcast and they're out walking the dog just listening to it. No one's really they're walking around the house, no one's actually watching the video to these things. But the marketing engines want there to be video content, but I don't know that it's still radio. It's funny because you listen to NPR and it dawned on me one time, like some of the shows that you listen to on the radio are exactly the same thing that's on PBS News almost and it's just and you're like, oh, I got everything I need tonight, didn't. I listened to them in the car I listened to I know that there's videos available for like The Rest is Politics, the Rest is His all those things that I listened to, but I like them in the car when I'm driving somewhere. And in fact, there's a couple of really good ones that came out recently. The Rest is History on the Beatles with Conan O'Brien, and it's good, good. It's interesting hearing you say, though, Robert is just still just radio because radio is going so video these days. It's not funny. You know, they're setting up their studios for video. They're basically building on air studios around a video camera and lighting and all this sort of stuff. It's true, I know, going the other way so much. Is the podcast that's video only without any audio? How will that work out? I think it would have been great in the twenties. Yeah. Well, I mean I think it's in our name though. I mean, we are the pro audio suite, so you know we're not the pro video sweet, so I think audio only fits us anyway, right. Yeah, I suck it gets. Today, but I don't doubt that we're going to be forced to have to do video to take it to the next level. Let's put this way, Robo, I mean, Robert, remember I sort of forced you to do video. You were not. I used to emails about that. No, I mean a year ago, I was very like bullish on the video. Man. I was pushing it hard because that's what I was everybody was talking about. I don't take a shower ship. The joints well burst my teeth. Yeah, no, it's like it's but in the end, the real value is what we're talking about, and the video supports it. But it's a marketing tool and I don't I'm not worried about it. In fact, my own podcast went on hiatus in May. I haven't released anything since the beginning, like the middle of the year, and it was because video was taking was dragging me down. I was just like I can't keep up. I have too much to do. So I'm going to relaunch my podcast in twenty twenty six. It's an audio podcast. I've got a fella who is a client of mine and decided to step up and do a bunch of mixes for me. Uh just gratus. His name is Rob Ryder, and he's a good producer. He does great mixes and great addits. And so we're gonna we're going to release a bunch of stuff that George the Tech, my George the Tech podcast recorded over the year that's just been sitting in the can. And I'm glad because now we'll get out there and we've got great interviews. We and you're going to raise that as audio only and. Like and it'll be it'll be audio only, but at least it's going to be heard. Let's let's do a video, but let's let's just do a video podcast and just put bars and bars for all the video. There. There you go, like done. Well. Since we're plugging new podcasts, I'm starting a new one in the new year too. It's a radio are Yeah, it's called it's not rocket science. It's about radio imaging, but it's not about you know, displugging and that plugging and all that sort of stuff. It's actually about the science. Why why do we need radio imaging? You know, different ways to approach it, and the views of some very impressive people. Duncan Campbell, who's the group program director of the Australian Radio Network here in Australia, and a guy called Phil DAWs who is who is an international who's an inter he's an international radio consultant who's making big waves in Europe at the moment, and stuff like that. So talking to some friends of mine and getting their thoughts on radio imaging and different ways to think about it and how it should be used and where it should be used. So yeah, so that'll be in the new year, is it. And it's funny. You know, it is hard work, but at the same time I find I come away with it learning a whole bunch of stuff too, which I can then put into my own work. So it does have its rewards. It's a funny thing too because it's like radio imaging, but it's radio. There's no visual imaging. The image. Wow, you're creating a mental image, that's exactly. Yeah. My friend Jodi Kraangle has a great show called The Power of Sound. You know, ironically, even though she kicked and screened and dragged away in the video, she's doing video and she's been doing it for six months now. And I only listen to her show on audio format. I don't watch it on video. That's I was saying, a lot of people listen to these things and they're not put the phone in the pocket and they listen away. Yeah, and it's costing her a lot of money and time. She's getting great guests though, And I don't know if there's a correlation that the fact she's doing video and pushing video and she's getting more high profile guests. I don't know if there's a relationship. I never asked her, but you and Robbo, you and her could cross promote your shows because you're both doing something about It's all about how powerful sound is and communicating emotion and messaging and all that. That's what her show's about. So cool's true. You guys can give me a name, let's hook up. I will. I will connect you with Jody Crane. She's great. She's in Canada, and I got invited in to become a guest host in the same way that you guys brought me in seven or eight years ago. I got invited into be a guest host on the show that's recurrent returning. Is this the year of the returning podcast? There's a show called vo Meter that my friends from GVAA. Oh come on, dude, I'm going to really watch the names right now because I have to bring them up on demand. GV GV anonymous. What is it you've heard of GVA I have actually the Global Voiceouting Network Actually all Stefano, he's one of the co founders and producers of Vometer and his compadre that's been doing the show with him for years, Sean Daily from GBAA. The two of them have been running that show for years, and they asked me to come in and pop in and do a guest appearance on a recurring basis. So let's see how that goes in twenty twenty six. But well, here go, he's a based on that. He's he's a good way to end this episode. What's the one curveball job that's come your way this year? That's going You've just gone, my god, everyone. Doing the NFL broadcast parabolic? Yeah, Yeah, that was a curve It's a curve ball for you, totally. Yeah, that was wild. What about you? It was a curveball, and there was a curveball that went around the planet because I did it for the first time twenty four years ago. So I did it one, never did it again. Four years later, I did it again again. Yeah, yeah, experience My one would be not less sary curveball. But I've been and have for many and he has been a Formula one fanatic. And then I got to do the TV ads for the Epidemic Grund Prix for the UAE. That is was pretty very cool. That's just a yeah, that's a neat fit. Yeah, it's still nice. Yeah, rob it. I guess I kind of similar to George. One of the one of my first gigs out of college was to do a lot of classical recording and then, you know, I've been busy with life and everything else and other gigs and commercials, and and then I got asked to do this recording for the Messiah and it was super fun. So back to the you know, like the classical recording and Simuel broadcast. Yeah, and it's kind of fun to go back to it and pull out my setup that was still running. I love that you could pull out a twenty year old rig and it just you know, it's going to work. And purpose built, you know, like, yeah, it's funny. You know, we're just talking about live radio. I'd love to go back to live radio. You know, I don't think i'd want to do it full time, but I just a week back in full time radio, I reckon. I just there's something about that instantaneous gratitude, you know, like you spend three or four hours in the studio making a promo and then you get in the car and you drive home and it's on. Air, you mean, doing promos and stuff. Yeah, I thought of actually being on a. Get canceled. I'd never been a jock, so that's sort of that that doesn't really bother me. Yeah, you know, we talk about it quite a bit. I talk about it with you know, old workmates and stuff like that. And even the kids are you know, now they're old enough to understand what the hell I used to do when they back in the eighties. But photo are you doing it? This morning? On Tim Simon's Facebook page? You and hear me, really, what was that photo? It was a photo of you in this production studio at SAFM working on a documentary for. Oh the Split Ends, Split Split? How Cool? Andrew do you miss? Do you miss live radio or is it just like the stress? You don't miss it? Yeah? I don't miss it because I think it's a doggy dog business and when you're up, you're up, and when you're down, you're fucked, and everyone kicked you on the way down. So yeah, but that's the politics, but the actual job itself, you know, like I I that's the big reason I got out of full time radio was the politics. And it sounds like you're saying the same thing. Really it was. It wasn't necessarily politics. I think it's just like my career just went down the toilet really quickly. And your heart and everyone loves you and then all of a sudden, well and. I got you old. Yeah, but I got in like I was twenty when I started, which is unusually old back then. And within like two years I was working in Metro, a Metro station. Three years we jumped across the new FM commercial FM thing it opened, so I was there. Then a year after that I got my first TV series or TV show, So it was just like a and of course the radio station took off, my television career took off. So the eighties was mental for me. And then at eight eight nineteen eighty eight, it all started to do a bit of a slide, and by the mid nineties it was just horrible, and then got to ninety seven and I'm like, that's it. I've got to get out of this. It's just revolting. So I was gone and then I jumped and did this and this has been really good. But I remember seeing a guy called Rick Herbert, an Australian voice over guy and actor, and that was probably mid to late nineties in Sydney, and he came into the station to do a voiceover and I remember walking and he had a little kid with him when he did the job and then left, and I thought, that's nice for me. They get to leave, you get paid and you're only here for ten minutes. Now you're talking, Well, I'll give you. I'll give you my curveball job for the year, because you guys are going to get a kick out of this. I've got a friend whose podcast I've been working on here in Australia. She's actually a voiceover as well. A lady called Catherine Beck, and she recommended me to some friends of hers in Canada who was starting up their podcast. And she didn't really mention what the podcast was about, but she went, you know, they're looking for someone, you know, they're not sort of afraid to pay more than they sort of need to on five or something, but they want someone, you know, who knows their chops because they've never really done this before. They need to set up the set up their room and all that sort of stuff the first time. So yeah, so basically I went, sure, okay, all right, I'll give them hand and sort of made this commitment. And she didn't she tells me now she purposes. He didn't tell me. But I get online with these two ladies. They're lovely ladies, by the way, And the name of the podcast is called Midlife Rising for anybody whose wife might be in stitting listening. And you'll understand why I say wife in the minute, because the podcast is based around the mental and physical effects of menopause. Oh yeah, fun. So I've spent the last like three or four weeks putting together about fifteen odd episodes for them to get started with them and listening to you know, getting the NS and I've learned so much from I have a whole bunch of sympathy for my Now. You will have to go through it too, so don't worry. As someone I'm currently going through menopause as we speak. That's right, cranky old bugger. Yeah. This this year was a bit of a strange one for me because ends up getting prostate cancer. So part of the treatment, apart from radiation and stuff, was hormone treatment for quite a while. I think another year to go with this stuff. But basically the symptoms are you go through menopause. She's going through it as well, so the kids go through it together. God yeahs are both as mad as one another. Yeah. Do you get heart flashes? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's bizarre. You just sort of sitting there and going, oh shit, I'm boiling. Maybe I should put you in touch with Jen and Sherry, mate. You could be that. You could be the host of the Midlife Rising podcast. The first guy with menopause. Well I'm not the first. I mean, there's plenty of it is. Yeah, it's the most bers thing. Makes sure. It was hysterical when we were sitting with the oncologists and he said look, you know you're going to put you're on this hormone treatment and there are side effects. It will be kind of like you know, you will have hot flashes and that all this different stuff and then makes looking at me going, oh boys, so you're going to go through it as well? Good? You know that's too ship there, go and get your PSA done. Get your PSA. That was fun? Is it? 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