Y'all ready to be here? Three, two, one. Welcome. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hello, everyone. To the Pro Audio Suite. These guys are professional. They're motivated. With Tech to the VO stars. George Whittam. Founder of Source Elements. Robert Marshall. International audio engineer. Darren Robbo Robertson. And Global Voice. Andrew Peters. Thanks to Tribooth. Austrian Audio. Making passion heard. Source Elements. George the Tech Whittam. And Robbo and AP's international demos. To find out more about us, check theproaudiosuite.com. Line up. And welcome to another Pro Audio Suite. That was IQ. Thank you very much. To a fresh start, Andrew. Go ahead. Yeah. Oh, that's good. And that wasn't me, by the way. Yeah. It could be at my age, but it definitely was not. It really does happen at that age, by the way. The Pro Audio Suite, over 100 years of experience in audio, combined age of five. Yeah, exactly. That's right. That's definitely accurate. We combine our experience and then subtract our ages. That's so true. Yeah. Have you seen that guy that walks around with a fart machine? No, but I remember Leslie Nielsen would show up on talk shows on television, sit down for an interview and just constantly play with a fart machine. And the interviewer would sometimes just get exasperated. Yeah. Like, can you please stop? This is supposed to be a serious interview. And Nielsen's like. Like that. Oh, you know, it just happens. I can't control. Like that. And the interviewer's just like, what. The fuck is going on? Yeah. It's hilarious. The guy was crazy. Because he looks like your grandpa, you know? Yeah, he looks so serious. Oh, fuck. Let's be funny, though. Farts are funny. So great. I don't know what you do. Farts are funny. They're like ageless comedy. You laugh when little kids laugh at farts, and we laugh at farts. Everyone laughs at farts. I think even monkeys laugh at farts. Animals do. Probably. Yeah, they probably do. Definitely. Yeah. The only people that probably don't laugh at farts is if you're a worker in an old people's home. Yeah. Because you're not quite sure. He knows what's coming next. Yeah, that's right. Is that a fart or did that materialise? Exactly. What's Billy Connolly say? My best advice for you once you get past 50 is never trust a fart. LAUGHTER All right, moving on. So the topic of the week is? Well, we're moving from farts to something that's really giving us all the shits, and. That is AI. Man, you're a genius. A segue. Weren't you just writing one of. Those, actually? Yes, I was. I did write a segue around Ularu and got crashed into by my. Other half. Well, whatever it takes. When you get old, you'll take whatever. Self out and me out. So anyway. That dingo crushed my segue. The dingo ate my lunch. Oh dear. Crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. AI. You had an interesting email from someone, didn't you, George? which was kind of starting this conversation before we. Yeah, no, it was just, it was just an email replying to one of our newsletters where a person was like, AI is killing my business, dah, dah, dah, dah. And at the punchline of it was, and you guys are out there still selling people the dream of voiceover, shame on you. She didn't say those exact words, but it was the sentiment, you know, like, and, you know, and there's some truth to it. I know. I mean, there's a tremendous number of voice actors hanging up a shingle to start coaching. Um, it's an economic decision to, as a, as a business owner, as you are, as a voice factor to diversify, pivot, add new verticals. And that sometimes becomes coaching. And a lot of people don't start coaching because they're desperate. They start coaching because people are nagging them. Oh, don't you coach? And they, everybody wants to know how to get in a voiceover. So yeah, there's a lot of things going on, but there's a tremendous number of service providers these days, you know, that are entering the fray. And so people are getting a little jaded about it. One guy had a block on Instagram because he was being really a jerk about us promoting classes with casting directors saying we're gatekeeping and we're taking part in this gatekeeping culture. And so we had a block. Wait, wait, us as the pro audio suite was promoting that or? No, it's just something that George the Tech was from. Sorry, thanks for clarifying that. Yeah, so I guess all this spinning out of control conversation is to say that there's a reason people are really feeling down on AI, because there's certain segments of the voiceover world that certainly are being dramatically affected by AI. Yeah, there are. There's also, you've got to remember that these days, I mean, things have changed dramatically, but there's... we are living in a blame culture. So, you know, if you're not getting, you know, food on the table, then it's somebody else's fault, not your own. So. There are some quite legitimate examples though, of people who were making sort of reasonable money out of AI and, and, and over time, there's been a slow decline in, or sometimes not a slow decline. There's been quite a rapid decline. They were making money out of AI? You would have to confess. Or. No, no, sorry. Out of voice. Did I say AI? Yeah. Out of voiceover. Um, but you know, over the, over time there's been a decline, whether that be rapid or slow, you would, you would have to agree. Anybody would have to agree that whether wholly or partly that's due to AI. I think the glory days have passed to some degree. I don't think the whole thing is like shot, but you know, certain parts of the industry, um, people who were making a lot of money doing IVR phone systems, I think those are kind of dead. I think a lot of the people that were reading how many different ways a particular drug can kill you and doing those kind of legal reads, I think those are kind of dead. I think anything that doesn't require a significant amount of art, so to speak, and talent, it's. Like, yeah. I think the IVR one is a really good example because how many times do you ring a business and they weren't even, even before AI, they weren't even using voiceovers, they were just getting one of the staff to do it. All the time. How often do you hear that? The funniest one actually is a company that I worked for that the staff who's on the voice system was long ago left the company. I mean like 10, 15 years later and they're still on the voice system. Acknowledge where something is better. If you're making a phone prompt system, having to record somebody for every possible inevitable answer, tag it, put it in the system, line it up, trim it, all this other stuff. When you can just have a voice in the computer and type out what you needed to say, and you don't even have to type out what you needed to say because AI can literally drum up the proper response. It is actually better. So you can't really fault these companies for. Saying, and the other thing is with a lot of the IVR stuff, you know, on hold, um, When you're recording that stuff, you do it like a robot anyway because that's what they want. It's got to be super clear and robotic. That's right. Exactly. Or because they have to cut together different numbers, you need it so consistent because you have to say five numbers in a row and you don't know what number will be before or after. So you have to make it that way. Exactly. So there's certain things that it just makes sense that AI is going to take that. Yeah. I mean, for lack of a better way of putting it, robotic, the delivery that you would be expected to provide... To fulfill that particular role, well, fill in the blank. Interestingly, a lot of the big companies, though, have rules and regs in place to not use AI. Big companies like Disney. I've got a feeling that Netflix are the same. I see plenty of social media people going, how long is it going to be until my future? TV commercials are full of AI voices. And my argument would be that it's actually going to be quite a long while. And I was sort of reinforced. I would say it's also already happened. To a certain degree, but my thoughts on this were sort of, yes, maybe. But then I was having a chat the other day with one of the sort of higher up account managers at one of the advertising agencies I do some work for. And paraphrasing, but he made the point, why would we use AI? Because all we're really doing is telling our multi-million dollar clients, hey, guess what? You don't need us. Just go and get yourself a good AI and away you go. It'll do it all for you. We would be cutting our own throats. Because where you do hear those AI voices in commercials are the local commercials, the ones that are like XYZ cable provider. Sure. Because the cable providers and the local stations always used to do some level of, we'll make the ad for you if you buy the time. And that was never considered the height of creativity or anything or production. So yeah, of course, those shops, those in-house shops that are just cranking out stuff to sell time, they're like going like yeah now now we'll do the ad for free or for two dollars and here's the 11 labs voice or whatever it is so that that's the quality level and and i think the reality is is like in this day and age maybe people haven't seen a shift down in their work level for a lot of people because what's actually happened at the same time is there's just that much more, whatever you want to call it, I'll say crap out there. Yeah. It was where it's being cost prohibitive. It's just actually added them to the market, which you could then, you could then argue is helping, you know, the TV stations, the radio stations, the media buyers, you know, all that stuff, you know, because all of a sudden there's actually a more work coming through that probably wouldn't have been there because the advertiser would have gone, oh shit, too much money. So it's like at the same time that there's, This thing that takes work away, it's taking away work that might actually not have existed before or that at the same time, there's just so much more work. There's so much more media. We're kind of a little bit on a downside with production. But even a few years ago, I mean, Hollywood and California was. Just cranking stuff out. We're creating categories, is that what you're saying? We're just creating a lot of categories that didn't exist 20 years ago. Yeah, I think so. And certainly online, I've noticed that, you know, because I'm a cheapskate, I certainly don't pay for YouTube subscriptions or anything like that. So I just cop the ads. And I think the variation in ads that I'm seeing, and to be fair, maybe even though they're not sort of, you know, up to the broadcast quality that we would expect, I think the standards of some of the ads that I'm seeing on YouTube has lifted. Or dropped. I actually think that one of the ways you can tell that it's an AI ad is because it's not just the voiceover that sucks. It is the entire translation. I mean, it is obviously like some company in China has a product and they just typed it all out in Chinese and they have an English voice reading the direct translation. And it's like the grammar is wrong. The cultural, like I can't even do it justice, but you can just tell it's like some machine translation read by a machine. And sometimes the stock footage doesn't even hardly match, you know, or, or the AI voice, uh, coming out of this AI character. It's like, there's no way that that voice came out of that person. You know what I mean? It's like, there's so many disconnects. You can tell it's just like, it's like crap on crap. And that's where you get this. Just, there's a lot of crap out there now. And that's mostly the. Well, we all know that good advertising works and bad advertising. Is entertainment. Have you guys ever been on to 11 labs? I, someone said, said this to me the, a couple of weeks ago and I hadn't, and I actually did. I went on and I paid. to do a prompt. Right. And I, I got to be honest, I could, I just grabbed an old script from a couple of years back from an agency and, and threw it up there and got it to read it. Yeah. I could, there's nothing there that, would have been used in the original session? No way. There's nothing that Eleven Labs, no matter how much I changed prompts and farted around with settings and all that sort of stuff, there was nothing even remotely close to what went away. Because you have standards, man. So here's the thing. Someone did a YouTube video where they actually took an AI voice and they tried to direct it. And at the end of it, they're like, you know, at the end I kind of got something useful, but I spent three hours trying to get out of this AI voice, what I could have gotten out of a real actor in 10, 15 minutes. And that's right. And that was exactly my result. That was exactly. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, so, so when people start sort of saying the sky is falling and, you know, all these voiceover work is going to dry out. And, and, and as the email that George got suggested that, you know, trying to help people become voiceover artists is basically stealing their money. That's completely untrue. Yeah. It is. Because where the standard of AI that's out there at the moment is nowhere near where it needs to be for that to happen. So it will happen eventually. Eventually, AI will kill this industry, probably. But right now, that meteor has not hit this place. I don't know. I still lean into the, did we kill orchestras? Did we kill symphonies? Did we kill live music? Did we kill teenagers who are playing in ska bands for other kids on Instagram? Were we killing that? Well, no, but okay, did we kill orchestras? maybe yes i mean most of the movies most of the movies you see are like even significant big movies a lot of that is sample orchestra plug. What's his face what's the freaking german guy. Hans zimmer and zimmer he's not he's not he's going to a full orchestra to do it yeah but but you drop down to even stuff that has a decent budget maybe you can laugh at it but Like some Hallmark video, Hallmark, like, you know, the Christmas special. That is not going through a scoring stage. That is coming out of like, you know, sign library, symphonic, you know, like, I forgot all the names of them, but those are, and they are getting highly, you know, better and better. Where you can get it. But there's still a human creating that on the other end of that. Oh, sure. Yeah. That still samples. It's like everything that's happened. If you look at historically, all the things that everyone's sort of like, oh, my hair's on fire because this is going to happen, probably didn't. You can say, okay, recorded music isn't going to kill live music. No, it didn't. It actually promoted live bands. Did television kill the movie industry? No, they worked perfectly well together. Mm-hmm. But no one has a landline anymore, Andrew. No one has a landline anymore. Well, I was going to say even more specifically though, has home studios killed the post-production industry? No. You know, that was the next big thing. Oh, you know, all the post-production studios going, oh, well, you know. I think it's more nuanced. I think it's more nuanced than that. Okay. So did home studios kill the post-production industry? No. The big post houses survived. You got a whole lot of more smaller players working out of their houses and the middle ground boutiques got nailed. The middle. I don't know about that. Well, it's not my experience here so much. Like I've talked about this mate of mine down here. Like he's got a huge studio in Melbourne. So he just dry hires that studio because most of the work he and his business partner do, they can do from home. Like a lot of the TV production is in stereo. Yeah. So, you know, you can do that from home. That's not an issue. No. He actually has set up surround. I was going to say, it's not hard to set up surround at home either, if you really needed to. I hear all the doom and gloom, and I certainly think regulation and information, but the public being advised that AI has been used, for me, they're bigger issues than information. then sort of is AI going to tank our industry? Because right now I don't see that. But, you know, I see the other side of the coin. Are you saying it's bad that ads or any media online notify the viewer that what they're watching is AI? Well, no, not so much ads and stuff like that. I think, you know, because let's be honest, you don't come on after every, you know, margarine commercial and say this commercial was voiced by Darren Robertson. I don't think that's necessary. But when you see radio networks here in Australia starting to use AI– for their traffic reports, for their weather reports, some even for their news bulletins. I kind of feel like that sort of stuff, the public has a right to know. Maybe not traffic, but let's talk about your news bulletins, right? Let's take it to the nth degree where actually we go, where we start going, you know what? We don't need a newsroom. We'll just get AI to compile the stories and voice it. So I think there needs to be. Some- I'll tell you where that fails. Like AI reading that President Kennedy died. is a fricking far shot from Walter Cronkite or whoever it was. Yeah. But they won't care. You know, this is the thing, right? The bean counters who are running these media companies, and you know, this as well as I do, they don't care about the craft. They don't care about the art. All they look at is the bottom line. So if they can say, we can replace five people in a newsroom with a computer and an AI piece of software, then guess what? That's what we're doing. As long as their lawyers tell them. It's also a vote with your wallet problem. There's a lot of people watching content and consuming content. That don't give a damn. And they just want the cheapest, freest content they can get. And so they just perpetuate the problem because, well, they're like, they're looking at the numbers and going, well, we're still selling ads. We're still making money and sometimes more money. Why would we ever go back from AI if we're making more money? It's really funny. I always compare it with food. Like GMOs? F-U-D? Yeah, F-O-D. But, you know, how many times do you hear people saying, oh, I can't afford to cook food. That's why we get, you know, take-out food. You go and buy take-out or take-away food. You go to, you know, the Golden Arches or you go to Burger or whatever. And you've got four of you, like two kids, two adults. It's more expensive. Oh, yeah. It's fucking expensive. It's because you don't have the time because you're taking care of– how many kids do you have, Robbo? Is it like 60? Four, sorry. Four. But you don't have time to cook and do all that. And it's because time is money as well. I think it depends on your priorities because I actually do. I'm the cook of the house, right? And and I don't, I don't buy takeaway often. Like they get takeaway obviously. And I, but more importantly, I don't buy jarred pre-prepared foods and stuff because my priority for my kids is that I want them to eat fresh. So I cook pretty much every night. Right. And I cook fresh, but, and so, so I kind of feel like this is a similar sort of conversation is it depends on your priorities. What's your priority? I mean, For an accountant running, who's in charge of a major radio corporation, they only give a shit about the bottom line. But Duncan Campbell, right? A really well respected- Until. The quality of your product affects your bottom line, and then they care again. Correct. This is going to be my point, right? Duncan Campbell, right? Who's a mate of mine, and Andrew knows him as well, right? And he's one of the most, one of the biggest group PDs, or was up until recently, one of the biggest group PDs here in Australia. He's worked all over the world. He wrote a blog the other day about, pretty much about what we're talking about, how, you know, what happens is, you know, the bean counters step into a radio network and they make all these changes. We're going to network this show. We're going to get rid of that one. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. And then the very next survey, they say, ha, see, you know, we were right. You know, we can do this and get away with it because it has affected our numbers. But what Duncan's saying is you can't look at the numbers then. You've got to look at the numbers down the track. You've got to go down the track two or three years. Yeah. before you see the knock on effects of that. And I kind of feel like this is the same thing, right? You know, I kind of, people who are sort of going, you know, AI is going to take over the world and blah, blah, blah. You know, that's not necessarily true. It's not going to be till two or three years down the track where we actually see where this thing lands. And given what I'm seeing now, I'm not sure that. That's necessarily true. And you're saying that because it takes that long to actually look at the numbers. Yeah. It takes three years to, It. Takes that long for people to sort of go, oh, I'm not, you know, this is, yeah, this isn't as good as it used to be. What happened to that radio station? It used to be great. Now all of a sudden, for some reason, they're not interested in it anymore. They're just, they're numbers and they take time to accumulate and create sheets and have years to compare. They take time to work their way down and roll down. Yeah. It's a frog in a pot. That's exactly what it is. We don't see it because it's just slow. And by the time it actually starts, does affect you is too late. And that's what all the AI companies want. They want this to be so ingrained that by the time anybody tries to do anything about it, it's done. It's already done and you're on the plate with some sauce on you. Yeah. I was going to say this. There's a pretty interesting Pro Tools expert article and it was basically about do... So now there's all kinds of tools, Robbo, I'm sure you know this, where you can just basically... give the video to AI and it's like, here's the background sound, here's the birds chirping, here's five layers of sound effects. And A, whose job did that take away? It probably took away the assistant engineer more than the main engineer. But the whole conclusion is that, again, it kills the job for the job that probably wasn't going to do any sound design anyways. They're going to do a corporate video and it's going to be all MOS. They were never going to bother to try to fill in some sound or make it better. They were just happy with the voice and the music and ship it. So now those things might get a little bit of AI treatment for the sound effects and sound design. But the real job of doing sound design is a job of curation and taste. And you just have another tool to get you through the process of picking and finding the right sounds and the right items and putting it all together. So it doesn't get rid of the human And AI, anytime it's an enhancement to the workflow, great. The problem is taking jobs away. What we haven't talked about here is there's a whole aspect of AI voices that can eventually be an asset to the individual voice actors. Maybe it makes the voice acting space more competitive. But Andrew, if you could safely sell your AI voice and make money while you fill your sheets with hot air, Great, right? Or take on clients that would never be able to afford the live, Andrew? You would be like, sure. Or maybe you wouldn't. It's hard to say, but it'd be a choice that might enhance your business. I know that there's people being offered money to get a buyout for turning their voice into AI, and I can see that as a future business with agents where they have two layers, two kind of business. One is the real actor. And then they have like a, you can license a voice from some kind of a database. I can kind of see that happening. Um, but then you've got to work out the technology that goes with that, which could be, how do you watermark that licensed voice? Because once it's out, it's out. And if it's not watermarked properly, it's a free for all. And people just grab it. Or, or if you just signed the wrong, wrong contract. I mean, do you, do you guys all know the story of Siri? If not, we should talk about this. Yes, there was a, Do you guys know this? No. Okay, so Siri, the. Voice of Siri, like Siri comes out in 2011 or so, okay? Long before that, five years before that, three years before that, there was some company that was working on basically not really AI-ing voices, but building modular voices in a sense. This is before the kind of clone your voice thing. So it was a process. It wasn't just read these three sentences and you're cloned. So she goes in and she gets paid several thousand dollars to construct her voice and the whole process. And she signs a contract. And if they sell the voice, she gets X percentage. Well, they sold it to Apple and she got her percentage and she made whatever money was fair for the contract that she signed. And she goes to Apple and Apple's like, we didn't sign a contract with you. So we don't care. Whatever you think is, we didn't sign a contract with you. Go away. And the flip side of that was that she was not under an NDA. So she could say to the whole world, I am the voice of Siri. And she certainly did. I met her at conferences where she was there because she was the voice of Siri. So she did make some money because she was the voice of Siri. However, she made, I think for the initial sessions and the voice, I don't know, we're talking probably less than $ 10, 000. Had she gotten one penny per cell phone, We're talking $ 28 million. Right. It's not totally different, but my friend Bev, whose voice was stolen for TikTok. Yeah. You know, that was a little bit more egregious in a way. Well, they straight up stole her voice and they cloned it and she didn't go into a studio and sign a contract. Yeah. My only issue with Bev, honestly, is that I wish she just raked them over the public holes and didn't settle out of court. Yeah. Yeah. I wish she hung them out to dry and made a public example. Out of them. Too conservative. Yeah. Trouble is, if she had lost, that would have been, yeah. That's the issue. I'm not blaming her as much as I just wish for society, because I think it was TikTok, wasn't it, that stole her voice? I wish TikTok just got railed for that. And they ended up, most people have no idea. If you're in the voiceover industry, you know about this. There was another weird part of that. Wasn't it something to do with a university in Scotland where the voice had gone to some kind of learning thing for a university in Scotland who had then unsold that voice? So it was an interesting way of tracking where the hell it went and how it ended up being stolen. And it creates another weird thing, which, Andrew, the other day I saw that spot and I tagged you, I sent it to you, and I'm like, Dude, did someone rip your voice off? And you're like, no, that's like fricking Bill blah, blah, blah. He's my arch nemesis. You know, he's like, he sounds just like you. Jesus. It's crazy. It's so funny with, and if you're listening, Chris. Oh, that's his name. Yeah. Christopher Kent. He's a English guy. And for some peculiar reason. I think tonally we're very similar. Obviously the accent is different. The accent's similar too. Yeah, it's kind of there. Like if you're not English or Australian, then you probably– it'd be like Canadians and Americans. You kind of like– if you're not either, you kind of go, where are you from? That's why a lot of Americans say, no, I'm actually from Canada. That's not a bad idea. They do. They work around with a maple leaf on their jackets and stuff. I can camouflage myself. Yeah, that's right. But it's funny with Christopher because I remember– I knew him, but I was in when I first signed with Abrams and I got an audition for some gig. I can't remember. And I booked the gig and I did actually talk to the agent at Abrams and said, just out of interest, was Christopher Kent in the running. For this as well? And they said, yes, he was. I went, yeah, I thought so. So we're kind of like. I'm sure Christopher's probably listening to this going, you're a fucking idiot. I'm better than you. But anyway. Well, that happens in some other ways and I'm trying to think of who they are, but there's like another guy out there that sounds a lot like Sam Elliott, for example. Oh, it sounded like something happened. You can hire Sam Elliott or you can get- Way before AI. Yeah. I was just going to say though, back on the topic of selling your voice, I mean, there are some success stories. I mean, look at James Earl Jones and Disney. You know, he made millions before he passed away. Yeah. Absolute millions. But at that point, he wasn't like, think about that. He's not going to make millions anymore. So you might as well. I think that's probably why he did it. Let's be honest. But I mean, he's basically guaranteed. his family's financial future. Hasn't he? Really? Well, I think he guaranteed their future already. Yeah, but true. But in terms of culture as well, though, I mean, Darth Vader will now live forever. You know what I mean? Actually, I believe when you look at it, like, you know, Darth Vader is like, two days of sessions for the first star Wars movie. Yeah. And the first, the first star Wars movie was a few hours. The first star Wars movie was like three hours or something. Three hours of voiceover. Right. And then again, it's one of those things where like, you're supposed to read it cold anyways. So there's not a lot of direction. Like Darth Vader with the motion doesn't work. There's a line he read cold. And that was the line. This is CNN. Yes. That went around. And it was totally up and it was totally off the cuff. And they stole it. And it went around for decades, didn't it? I recorded him for Verizon. They had to come after him. But he did a similar read for Verizon. I recorded it, actually. Because he was so nice. Because he was, man, on ISDN. Way back in the day, one of the first sessions I did on ISDN, I remember being just freaking nervous. And he just immediately like, hello, Robert. Just so nice. It was amazing. Yeah. Those at the top often are. I bet the 10-inch drivers were working hard. Dude, he punches you through the speakers. He's just like, hello. Have you ever seen, just back on Darth Vader premiere, have you ever seen the original guy who played Darth Vader to camera with some English guy? I can't remember his name, but he recorded the dialogue. And as far as he was aware- He was going to be the voice of Darth Vader, right? And George got the thing into post and went, that's never going to work. Never going to work. Who are we going to get? And he basically, you know, went, oh, James, you know, James is our man. And overdubbed it all. And this poor guy was devastated. Can you imagine also, I mean, the prowess of, yeah. In fact, prow, something prow is his name. There's, um. Having said that, David Trow or something like that. Yeah, I can't remember. But anyway, can you imagine having to sit your grandkids on your knee and going, I was almost Darth Vader? Well, he was Darth Vader physically. Sort of, yeah. But, you know, let's be honest. It was his face you see when they cracked his helmet open and he's inside. No, I don't think that was him either. No. Okay, he was just the tall, imposing actor. But also they switched it. In, in the first return of the Jedi, it's one actor. And then when they redid it years later and they had the sequels, they, they went back to return of the Jedi and dubbed in the actual later actors face. But all those movies have had so many incarnations, haven't they? Yeah. He, he could, he couldn't stop messing with them. Yeah. No. Well, I think it's early next year for some, it must be, my God, it must be the 50th anniversary of, They're playing the original cut at the theaters here, like the original theater release of the Star Wars. I'm going to go and watch just for the hell of it because I want to sit and- The. One to watch is the holiday special. If you've ever seen that, that's a gem. Well, now that we're way off topic, when you come to LA, you can come to the Museum of Narrative Arts that Lucas and his wife opened in LA. They just opened last week. Oh, cool. Okay. About 10% of the museum is Star Wars. I'll wait till Adolf's gone and I'll come over and check it out. The museum looks like a spaceship. Do you know the funny thing is the actor Alec Guinness, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi in the first film, when he was approached by George Lucas to play that character, he read the script and said, oh yeah, it looks okay. I mean, you could make a few changes to this, but it's all basically there. So he kind of finessed bits and pieces. And, um, and then they said, oh, look, we'll pay you X, but we'll also give you, you know. Like a cut. He didn't want it. A 1% or something or whatever it was. And he's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And thinking, well, it's never going to, it doesn't matter. I'm not going to see anything out of that. Anyway. So they finished the film and then George rang him and said, you know, that 1% that I said I would give you, we're going to make that too. And he's like, okay. Boom. Bang. Did you know that also one of the things in his contract, because he could see that there would be sequels coming from this in his contract, because he didn't really want to do it, in his contract was written that he would have to be killed off in the movie. in that first film. Really? But then they kept on, like Luke used the force. But then he kept coming back because obviously he made a fortune out of it. He's gone, oh shit, I made a fucking mistake I've made here. Luke used the force, I need some residuals. May the residuals be with you. I mean, Star Wars wouldn't, the sequels wouldn't be what they are without him anyway. I mean, the story would have to change tenfold. So, you know, they had to bring him back anyway, but it's, It's funny, though, isn't it? The mistakes some people made and movies that some people turned down that they must just go, oh, shit, why did I do that? There's a lot of stories of people that turned down characters. Well, interestingly, I think to bring the circle back, now Disney owns Star Wars, at least it won't have any AI. Yeah, well, that'll be interesting, won't it? Well, that was fun. Is it over? The Pro Audio Suite. With thanks to Tribo. And Austrian Audio. Recorded using Source Connect. Edited by Andrew Peters. And mixed by Robbo. Got your own audio issues? Justaskrobo.com. And tech support from George the Tech Whittem. Don't forget to subscribe to the show and join in the conversation on our Facebook group. 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