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Speaker A: Y'all ready be history, get started welcome.,Speaker B: Hi. Hi.,Speaker C: Y'all ready be history, get started welcome.,Speaker B: Hi. Hi. Hello, everyone to the pro audio suite.,: These guys are professional. They're motivated with tech. To the Vo stars, George Wittam, founder of Source elements Robert Marshall, international audio engineer Darren Robbo Robertson and global voice Andrew Peters. Thanks to Triboo, austrian audio making passion heard source elements George the tech wisdom and Robo and AP's international demo. To find out more about us, check Thepro audiosuite.,Speaker B: Com line up learner. Here we go.,Speaker C: And of course, don't forget the code. Trip a p two hundred and that will get you two hundred dollars off your tribooth. Now, we're going to talk microphones today because there's one thing I don't think we've ever discussed, or not in depth anyway. Is RF on a shotgun mic? Now I'm assuming rf is radio frequency, but for anybody like me, what does it actually really mean? And should it be something that we consider when we're buying a shotgun mic?,Speaker A: You mean the fact that the microphone uses what they call an RF technology? Is that what you're referring? Sure. I'm sure Robert would know more about the details without me having to google it. I read about RF microphones for a few times and I think one of the side effects of a mic being RF technology, which by the way, has nothing to do with transmitting a radio signal, right. It's the ability for the microphone to reject noise. I don't know if I've ever heard of a four hundred and sixteen, for example, which is using this RF technology as having an issue. Picking up radio frequency noise. If anybody else has heard of that, if you've had a mic, a four hundred and sixteen picking up RFI, let me know. But one of the advantages of that technology is it's very highly immune to humidity.,Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I heard.,Speaker A: And why that exactly is, is definitely beyond my pay grade.,Speaker C: Isn't it something to do with the way inside the microphone? Each part talks to itself, like talks to each other. It uses like a radio frequency inside the microphone to communicate with itself. That's my vague recollection of what it actually is.,Speaker A: That is certainly plausible. I just wish I was more understanding of the technology.,: So we're talking about it rejecting radio frequencies, is that what you're saying? Like a shielded cable would reject?,Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's what it does. And if anyone's listening, we should do what everybody else does on their YouTube things. Leave us a comment in the comments section.,Speaker A: Can I do story time and read it to you?,Speaker C: Yes, do story time. Oh, I'm sitting comfortably, George.,: But read it in your best bedtime story voice, George.,Speaker A: Okay, yeah, well it would have to be in a german accent.,Speaker C: I'm not going to do that.,Speaker A: A bedtime german accent?,: No, that's scary.,Speaker C: That's really scary actually.,Speaker A: But there is a whole white paper from Senheiser and it's written by Manfred Hibbing and it's Sennheiser's professor. MkH condenser microphone sorry everybody, I'm sorry, but basically what it says is that high rf frequency solves a problem. So when the replacement of electronic valves by transistors commenced at the end of the fifty s, this change was also under consideration for condenser microphones. Reduced size, low supply voltages and lower power consumption were regarded as great benefits as well as being able to use simpler microphone cables. However, there was a basic problem. Direct replacement of the valve by a transistor was not possible due to the mismatch between the high impedance of the condenser capsule and the low input impedance of the transistor. Hence, for optimal matching, the capsule impedance needed to be drastically reduced. And then they go on to explain the impedance of capsules, et cetera, et cetera. So down to the next paragraph. How does RF microphone technology actually work? The principle is simple. After all that.,Speaker C: Yeah, sure it is.,Speaker A: Sound waves deflect the diaphragm of the condenser capsule and change the capacitance between the diaphragm and the nearby back electrode, or backplate. Contrary to the more common low frequency AF condenser method, the capacitance variations are not converted directly into audio signals, but modulate a high frequency radio frequency signal generated by an oscillator inside the microphone. This signal is then immediately demodulated inside the microphone, thus recreating the audio signal, but with a very low source impedance that is well suited for driving a transistor amplifier. Thusly, an RF condenser microphone is basically comprised of a transmitter and a receiver that are directly wired together. The RF signal is therefore kept inside the microphone only the audio signal is supplied to its output just like all other microphones. So yeah, what you were saying was pretty much usual for me.,Speaker C: What happened?,Speaker A: He picked it up through osmosis somewhere along the way.,Speaker C: That's right.,: Can I just say, Robert would make that a lot.,Speaker C: Yes.,Speaker A: Yeah, sure. The thing with humidity, and here's a little paragraph about this, there is no other important benefit of the RF principle for practical use, the low electrical impedance of the capsule provides outstanding immunity against detrimental effects due to humidity, because even then, the leak resistance is very much larger than the capsule impedance. Thus, Mkh microphones, which I understand, all of those, all Mkh mics are RF mics. They're well suited for outdoor use. So this is why mkh mics, no matter whether they are the mkh four one five, forty one six, and I'm paraphrasing here, or any of the mkh stuff like the mkh forty. There's the eight thousand series, right? They have the eighty third. Eighty, twenty, eighty, thirty, eighty, forty, fifty, eighty, sixty. They have a whole new line. All of them are using this technolo
Any history story. Welcome to the Pro Audio this week. Those guys are professional and motivated thanks to try Booth, the best vocal booth for home or on the road voice recording and Austrian audio making Passion Hurt introducing Robert Marshall from Source Elements and Someone Audio Post Chicago, Aaron Robert Robertson from Voodoo Radio Imaging Sydney to the video stars, George the Tech Whittam from LA and Me, Andrew Peters Voice Sober Talent and home studio Guy out and don't forget the code TRIPAP two hundred and that will get you two hundred dollars off your try Booth. Well here we are twenty twenty four. Nothing's really changed much. I guess we're still above water. Robert's not here again. I can I can hear the horses of the you know, galloping over the horizon, and that's so far, so good. Yeah. Now, talking of the horses galloping over the horizon, our biggest bunch of horses is AI because it's a bit scary and there's been a ton of discussions. I was talking to a friend of mine who's an animator in film, and he, you know, was concerned as well about how AI would affect his business. But then he was talking about a friend of his who's an actor who's just moved to Italy and setting up camp over there, but you know, working back in Australia source connect. But he was making plans to license or to own his voice, get the copyright of his voice, and then be in a position that if anyone wanted to use it as an AI then he would get a fee from licensing his voice out, which kind of makes sense. But then the discussion is, Okay, We'll say, for instance, a company, an AI company, decide they want to do a combination of two, three, four different voices to make their own voice. How does that work? Do you fool people get paid to license? Feel? Yeah, very good point. It's kind of like I think of it as a little bit like sampling back in the eighties when sampling started becoming a major thing, and then like you know, artists like Beastie Boys and different groups were sampling like crazy, but you know, not attributing the samples to the original artist, and then all these lawsuits started and then didn't put a stop to it, but basically it became way more expensive to produce your album. You couldn't just rip people's stuff anymore until you were successful. And then once you were really successful, money and your record label would go and pay the one hundred and fifty thousand dollars mechanical license to sample you know, Bruce Springsteen or something. Yep. So this seems a little bit similar to that in that, you know, like so if you take a sample and or a melody from a song and take it apart enough where it's not recognizable, then you can probably now know you no longer probably have to attribute your content to the original creator. That's basically what they sit in court doing. Yeah, that's right. You know, like when Vanilla Ice did Ice Ice Baby and he said my song is then and their song is different, Queen did Dan and see it's different, you know, so you have to make it a little bit more different than that Vanilla Ice. Yeah. Yeah, but that's what's going to be happening with Voice, right. So yeah, it's going to get very interesting when that starts happening, When they start just mixing a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and what made you you starts to disappear unless they figure out a way to to stamp like a metadata stamp into your audio that is sort of like the DNA of the audio file, you know, where it just no matter where that file goes, that DNA is there. That's going to be very difficult to track it. And I do know that there are people working on that as a way to trace audio. Yeah, because I'm I'm like, I think we've talked about this before, but I'm sure that the signature of a human voice, it would be like a fingerprint, Like, no two voices are the same. Yes, there's the there's the voice print. But there's also the idea of hiding which which is basically like a d r M, a digital rights management element to the files, so that so those things can't be so easily redistributed, you know, like for example, with with audio, like for if you have a digital file, the only way to strip the d r M is you have to basically record or the audio file via an analog method to get out of the DRM, you know, so you'd have to do that process. I guess the problem is is that if your whole thing is just creating a new voice, then you don't care you can easily strip that away from the file. So if it maybe you know, if you're downloading, you have to go to some kind of you know, a bank of voices, and if they are all you know, they have their own sort of like signature, like a digital signature. Then when you download that voice, you pay your license fee to download it. It's not after the effect is before you start mixing up voices that you pay. I believe that Tim Freelander of NAVA has been digging into this because it's something that they're in the US has They've been trying very very hard to protect voice actors rights, protect them from and they have a whole page on their website at navavoices dot org and it's just AI Voice Actor Resources and it's just stuff to help protect and support the voice actor. So their voices aren't, you know, so the rights are protected. So they're working pretty hard on that here in the US. Obviously, whatever happens in the US is not necessarily going to matter around the world, but they are looking at ways to protect you know, they call it the Navasynthetic Voice Artificial Intelligence writer. So it's something to look at if you're looking at some you know, what's being done in the space and what is out there, and you know, sounds like it could be a good topic in a future episode and have Tim come on and actually talk about more deeply about what he's up to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's changing every day. Of course, you know it is absolutely as some closer. Yeah. But here's the interesting thing in all these though, is it's not really just voiceover artists that this effects. I mean, you think about people who run a podcast, for example, or people who are sharing content on YouTube or TikTok. Yeah, all of a sudden, all those voices are sort of sitting out there open to let's call it abuse, and what do they do about it? I mean, how the hell does that work? Yeah, No, it's a concern, And that's one concern for people that make a living with their voice. And then there's also a little bit of an issue with the theft of actual knowledge for intellectual property with AI. In fact, it's coming to such a head that even the New York Times has decided to sue Open AI in court because they feel that their use of their content, and you know, their free use essentially unfettered use. I should say it shouldn't be free, but there are unfettered use of content from New York Times being now used to build knowledge what's called a language model, yep, is a major problem, and that has really gotten me thinking a lot about my gosh. I have so much content out there on YouTube and elsewhere, and I'm sure it's already been used to build other people's blogs or at least give inspiration. Of course, I wanted to educate, right, that's the key thing. But there's it's so much easier now for someone to just rip that content off and repurpose it and just use it for their own you know, to start up my starting my own business, you know, because there's so many new businesses popping up every day, like mushrooms in trying to get a little piece of the voiceover industry, the voiceover world. I guess it's funny because of might of mind. He we were talking about this podcast in fact, and he was saying, you guys are crazy. You're just giving stuff away. You know, you're not getting paid for it. You're just giving it away to whoever wants to take it, right, right, And you kind of think, yeah, okay, if you I it's an educational thing, we don't mind. But you I can see what he's getting at is more that it's not actually us particularly, it's the content that we're giving that will be ripped off and delivered some other with some other method, right, Right, that's the well, that's a whole noth Yeah. That didn't use to concern me so much because the content is basically hard to find. You know, it's hard to find. It's hard to go back and reference something we said on a show four years ago. Right, if you want to go find that in it in traditional ways, you're not going to find it. But now with AI tools, this is going to be an issue on a real issue because then really you can just go back and find anything in an audio or video and immediately reference it as one thing, but repurpose it and reuse it is another thing. And that's gonna be that's increasingly simple to do. Yeah. But the thing is with I don't know what the case that New York Times are putting up in court is. It Is it plagiarism or I think they're looking at it as plagiarism. Yeah, but if it's just news, I mean that news is out there already anyway. So yeah, but if they're if they're ripping off the copy you're talking about, they're actually stealing the copy. I thought George was just saying they're using them for like ideas for stuff, but they're actually taking well that that well they also do you know, these legitimate journalistic platforms which you know, get a lot of flak for being you know, just the word media in the United States. I don't know about Australia, but in the US, media is used as a bad word all the time. Yes, well it should be so, so you know, there's a there's a basically a war on facts, right, Yeah, And so these media outlets like New York Times, they spend a lot of money on investigative journalism, Like investigative investigative journalism is very expensive takes and they can spend weeks, if not months, doing stories. Right, so you just take that content and just rip it off and just repurpose it and use it for yourself. You're that really is stealing an investment in that content. You know, it's a huge deal, Yes, in New York Times. So it's not just news. News is one thing, like you know, dog caught caught in the well, okay, but but like investigative journalism, I think that's the stuff that really really ticks them off, that you get that could get stolen. Are you talking about actually stealing the copy or are we just talking about there was a story in the New York Times about this dude who was ripping off the company. Blah blah blah. No, Like, just when you go to like a chat tool and type into the chat tool, tell me everything you know about John Wayne Gacy or something I want to or do I need to do a whole thing on this particular topic that and then the results that you get back are not attributed. The problem with these chat tools it's not that they're giving you information. It's that they're giving you unattributed information. Yeah, okay, right. It's like they're saying, Okay, here's here's an entire term paper. It's all written for you. Just go ahead and give it to the teacher. Yeah. But if they would just attribute where the actual data comes from and annotate it and say, okay, well this piece of information. Just like if you read a Wikipedia article, everything is attributed with links at the bottom telling you where everything came from. If that was attributed, that would be a different animal. You know. Now they could now they could point back and say, yeah, here's all the information you need, and here is where we found it. Like, if you go on Google, the very first search result oftentimes is an AI response Have you noticed that? Yeah? And it shows like just a plain text paragraph written out and very easy to read thing. And then it right below it, it shows where the source came from for that, you know, for that answer. So it's attributed, right, But yeah, a lot of that stuff is not going to be attributed. So that's that's what they that's what they're fighting for. Yeah, fair enough, I guess. So. Yeah, So for for me as someone who's an educator, you know, I'm concerned about the loss of attribution and the loss of my control over mind content, even if it's out there available to freely browse and consume. The fact that now you can scrape it, repack it, and redistribute it and not attribute it to anybody is the product part, really, you know, That's what I'm concerned about. We all spend enough time doing this content to having it ripped off. Yeah, I mean, we we've been doing it to help the community, but we do it to we do it to help the community, We do it because it's fun. And then but frankly, at the end of the day, it's also promotional, you know, and it's so that people know that I'm out there doing this thing. And then I'm the guy that you know, seems to know what he's talking about, right, so I have real benefical benefit and me doing the show like like you like vobs and ewabs for thirteen years. So now all that content is out there and it's great, and it's still attributable to me. But it's very very easy to just repurpose and rebuild. And you could build an entire YouTube channel in a day. And I'm not even exaggerating. I could build an entirely new YouTube channel completely ripping off all of any of my content or any of our content and start making money. You could start making money. Now, take a while, you're not going to make much, but you within within a few months, you could actually start making an income with stolen content using a faceless YouTube channel. Wow, it's super easy. There are YouTube videos explaining how to do it step by step really yeah, to ten minute video, and it was like at the end of that, you know, the guy was moving very quickly, you know, but if I slowed down and followed what he did and did the same things he did. I could generate an entire YouTube channel based on stolen content. Surprised YouTube are allowing that? Whyn't I taking shit like that down? Truly they were than doing themselves damage. Well that's what's That's the thing because YouTube stands to gain because it's just more content. Yeah, YouTube wants more content. They want more people making more content. The more content there is, the more they have to monetize. So you know, that's the thing about YouTube, and they are the kings man. YouTube is the absolute undisputed number one podcast platform at this point. Yeah, yeah, what is it? Yeah? Well, Google line it. I didn't Google. Google loans it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not. It's not Apple Podcasts or Spotify is huge, but it's not as a is YouTube. YouTube is the king of podcasts and so it's a different place. So go ahead. I was just going to say, coming from a music background, don't start me on Spotify and what they pay artists either. I know and I and I'm absolutely guilty of using Spotify and using it for years because of the lock in. There's a lock in that comes with it, and it's not that you can't move elsewhere. And I actually did find a tool that will help you export all your Spotify playlists to another place, which is critical that you can do that. But yeah, once you learn a thing and you know how to use it, and then you've got other family members who are using it, and you've got all those spots and you and you get addicted to the recommendation engine that Spotify uses and all that stuff, it is much harder to walk away from Spotify. I mean, I wanted to move over to Title You heard of Title t Idea Yeah, ye, actually I may have. Yeah, yeah, it's another is owned by doctor not Doctor Dre's. It's owned by an artist in the US, and it pays a dramatically higher royalty yeah than Spotify four times yeah, yeah, four x. So I was like, well, I could just move to that. It doesn't cost much more on Spotify. They're you know, they're going to make more money. But I'll still be stuck on Spotify because that's where all my podcasts are. So then maybe I should move my podcast somewhere else. And then before you know it, you're like, it's all too hard, Yeah, to pain in the ass. I've got ten other more important things oh, yeah, totally. And that's what they play on you know, it's funny. Like I went to uh, I had an argument with Apple with the Apple storm the other day. I had to It's a long story, I'll try to make it short, but I had to make a doctor's appointment. And there's a new doctor's surgery that it's literally opened up two blocks from here. So I thought, I've only got to go and get a prescription, don't need to see my regular doctor. I'll go there. But to go to this place, there's no receptionist. You've actually got to have an app on your phone and your book in through the app, and then it just says, you know, be here at this time and wait outside this room and bang, you know you can go in, right. So I went to download the app and I couldn't download it. A Apple store wouldn't let me. So I ring Apple Support and I go ah blah blah, and they go, oh, yeah, you've got this this YouTube trial that's trying to renew, but it can't because you know, it's saying that there's an issue. And I went, well, yeah, I tried the YouTube trial and I actually canceled it two weeks ago so you know, so that should be fine. Ah oh hang on, blah blah blah. Oh actually, yes, you're right. Sorry about the inconvenience, mister Robertson. You know, we'll sort out your account. So they sort it out my account there and then and so then I could download my doctor's app so I could book a doctor's pointment. And I just thought, this is how much control these people have over our lives. Yea, yes, they fuck up, it's not my fault, but I still can't make a doctor's appointment until I ring them and book in. I thought, with everything going this way, how long is it going to be till they control our lives completely? It's great, don't you worry about that. It's not far away. That's bonkers, man. Yeah, that's not a boomer problem either. That's an everybody problem. It is an everybody problem. I don't care how old or young, or technical or non technical you are. If you get locked out of something necessary for your healthcare or something, that's not a joke, it's crazy. And I also, look, you know, nothing can do about it, really, because I mean, everything is online these days, but all of the information about all of us is somewhere floating around in space. And you know, anyone with half a brain you can hack. It's going to get all the information they need about you and everything about you. Yeah, I just moved. I did another one of those gotta move, got to move. I moved my password management from Last Pass to another platform called Bitwarden. And I did it after listening to my one of my trusted sources, Leo Laporte, who does this show called Twit twa Yeah this Week in Tech, And I've been listening to Leo and a fan of his for years, man fifteen years. Probably it's one of the reasons I started my own show, and you know he's and they were, I mean, they had the naming rights of the of their studio, Last Pass. It was the Last Pass studio. That's how much they were trusting and using. You know, they trusted them. And then things went south with Last Pass. Over the last year, they had a data breach, all kinds of stuff, and I had everything on there, EI, N social security, driver's license, everything about my identity was in this one database. So I finally moved all exported and imported the database into this other tool pit Warden, which so far has been safe and has not been knocked. But you know, it's uh, I mean talk about having everything in one place where you can own the keys to the castle. That that definitely is the case. So yeah, it's a crazy, it's a it's a bit of a scary time, there's no doubt about it. Yeah. Well, my life's on Google, you know, because I've got money too. Yeah, I've got a g Suite account that's Voodoo sounds email is actually a g Suite account. Plus I use going to Drive, so all my stuff's there on Google Drive and you know, you think of everything else that you use. And then they have my credit card details as well. So what I've actually done, and I don't know whether this is helpful. It's completely not audio, but I don't know whether anybody else will find this helpful. But what was suggested to be my my accountant and I've actually done. I got a debit card, a visa debit card that's separate to my main account, and so I've taken all my other credit card details down and I've just put that card up. But then at the beginning of every month, all I do on there is put enough money to cover my direct debits. So if anybody ever hacks that account, the most they can take is, you know, a few hundred bucks that pays for my PayTV and for g Suite account and all that sort of shit. They've they've gotten nothing else. Well, we did the same thing when we were traveling. We had a one card that we used, you know, to buy stuff, but all the other cards we didn't use anywhere. And you just feed that account every day. You put some money in for while you're traveling around. So if someone did happen to hack your card, you know, bad line. So I know that US and the rest of the world handles credit cards pretty differently. Like in the US, the burden is completely on the merchant. So if someone steals my credit card tomorrow and spends eight thousand dollars and goes in a shopping spree, where does that money go? And what happens. What happens is the I call a credit card company and they say sorry about that, sir, and the merchants all lost out on all that shit. That's how it works in the US. One on the merchants. It's similar here, but they try to Actually I'm not sure because I got done last year, are you guys chip and pin where every single credit card transaction has to be chip and then a pin number. Well, I use the phone anyway now because that was a lesson tap from last year, So I just tap on and I tap one on, you know, obviously out and about. But someone got excited. It was funny because I got a text message from my bank saying we've actually put a hold on your card, one of my cards. I'm like, yeah, not gonna fool for that one, monkey, right, And so I thought I'll just check my account, you know, even though I know this is a spam. So I jumped in the account. It was like, oh fuck, someone about two and a half thousand bucks have been spent while I was asleep. So I strided on to them anyway. It took about three weeks, but the money old them. Money came back. But that was a credit card, not a debit card. Well, it can be used as by a master card, so we used the big But that wasn't cash out of your bank, right, yes it was, it was coming out my bank. Yes, it is absolutely cheesez yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's way worse. It's way worse. So I'm like, right, thanks, guys, you just uh, you know, there's also virtual credit cards, and then there's like there's a there's a service whose name right now slipping in my mind that you can actually and you know, this is a lot of work, so a lot of people aren't going to do this, but it will let you not only create a new credit card number for every trans every store you shop at, so you could have a credit card number for Amazon and one for whatever, but it'll even make burner credit card numbers so they're one and done, you use it dead. So there are ways to really protect yourself from theft, but it's just not as convenient. It's just more work. Do you know what? We were talking about this just the other day, and I know, way off topic as usual, so far off topic. It's ridiculous, that's all right. I think I think, I know this is off topic, but I really think this is the this is the unspoken ship that people don't talk about and just don't think about. And I think it's a service to our listeners. So if you're still here listening to you, listen to this. Kudos. I saw this woman campaigning online about using cash. Don't let the banks dictate how your money is moved. Around, and I kind of say, ah, yeah, whatever, And then I watched it for a bit longer and I thought, yeah, yeah, I kind of get it. It's a bit bit of a you know, conspiracy theory kind of thing. But the more I thought about it, and then there was another thing we heard. It was on a podcast talk about the same kind of thing. It's like, if you don't use cash, eventually there will not be cash. It'll all be done online, so it'll just be like numbers. But then who controls that, Like all of a sudden, the banks control everything. Like if I go and spend cash, then it's like a transaction between me and somebody else. If I use a card, then it's a transaction between me and somebody else with someone in the middle, and that's the bank. And then they dictate to you like, okay, you're going to use that card, we'll charge you one point five percent. And if there's never any cash around, then it's like it's a free for all. They can do whatever they like because you've got no choice. Yeah, of course. And do you know, do you trust the big banks not to get not to do that, because I certainly don't. No, absolutely not. I mean and The other thing is that the other part of using cash is you know what you've been spending when you use a college you just don't if it's cashing your wallet and you go, oh shit, I've only a couple hundred bucks left of my wallet and that's going to do me until Friday. Then you know, you work to a budget where if you're flicking a card around, you don't even think about it until all of a sudden, you card bounces and you go, oh, yeah, it's not money. And there is another way to do things outside of the monetary system, and I'm not talking about bitcoin either. A boss called bartering. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was actually part of a border network before I moved to LA before I moved to California. I can't remember the name of it now, but it was a border network and it was like a formalized thing where you joined and you could go to meetings and you could you know, but it was the whole thing was like, oh, you do massages, okay, great, and then I, you know, I happen to be a bookkeeper and da da da da, and you would actually trade on your bartering and you would they had a record of what you bartered and what it was worth. That's a good combination though, By the way, Georgia, what's that you can massage the books books exactly and uh and you know, I found one just now called barternetwork in dot com. Not endorsing this, but I just googled it. But there are other ways to do it. It's just how are you going to do business as a service provider, especially with other countries, let alone you know your own you know your own country, and find people who are like, oh yeah, I'm down to border. That sounds good. That's going to be pretty tough. But that is the alternative. That is the alternative. You know, it's bartering. Well, bothering is also has other benefits too, yeah tax, no tax, Oh yeah, ye is that? Yeah? So that's why that's probably what keeps barter networks from growing is because they are they're not to the benefit of the federal of the government, not the best of the government at all, so you know, they really don't want them to be successful exactly. So, man, this this is definitely a rat that I was going to say, you know, what's new year, Maybe we should rename the show from the pro audio suite to the political audio suite or the audio rambling. Yes, exactly. Well, you know, technically we're still in holiday mode, so I guess everyone's going to have to forgive us this week holiday mode in Australia. This week, well it's South summer. So yeah, it sort of goes through till the end of January. Oh my god. You guys Americans were like freaking back to work on the second I mean, yeah, it's back on right now. It's like full one. Yeah. Yeah. See here it's like we have we have Melbourne Cup, which is our Kentucky Derby, I guess, which is on the first Tuesday in November. And as the saying goes, you know, everything stops on Melbourne Cup Day, and so really everybody's winding down for Christmas. There is what that means. And then school doesn't go back until the beginning of February. So it's sort of incredible. Yeah, yeah, I think we go back. We go back at the end of January, but then schools broke up. When was it was the December end of mid December, I think, yeah, mid December American. Yeah, well it's our summer, you see. And also you don't really have holidays like we do and we don't. We have national holidays, but they're like a one or two day fair. Yeah, it's over and done. It's like if it if Christmas falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, they'll give you Monday off and then you're back to work. Yeah wow yeah, so yeah, we have a lot to learn about you guys. One between Christmas and New Year. Between Christmas and New Year, you're lucky if the local supermarkets open. I'm surprised that. I'm surprised that the planet doesn't still get tipped off his access quite frankly during this period, because no one is in town. They've all gone. In fact, they're down here sinking our beach. I was gonna say it must be nuts because because you would, you would think La would be full of people, right because it's a beach city. Whether it's not the case at all. Everybody here leaves and goes to their families because people in La aren't from La. I mean half of La at least it is not from here, so it's very trazy. They all disappear. So this city is awesome during the holidays, it's it is great. No traffic, no one there, but it's like it's like here, like normal, Yeah, driving driving from here because I'm what don't miles would be what seventy miles out of Melbourne and it can take up to well two and a half hours depending on its peak hour and stuff. But this time of the year, I can be into South Melbourne in about an hour and fifteen. There's no one on the road. It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, it's similar. Yeah, I mean we we made the mistake because I just I just wanted to get out of town, and we made a mistake of driving to Vegas and then driving to Zion Park, which should be a four and a half hour drive and then another two hour drive right boom boom, And the drive to Vegas was seven hours plus and the drive to Zion was five hours. Oh god, it was insane, Like it was just there was a there's a construction zone, it's going to go to one lane. Well that's a forty five minute backup, just and you have nowhere to go because it's the middle of effing nowhere, which is I know what a lot of Australias the middle of exactly, but California and Nevada and those areas are are very middle of the nowhere. You really get away from everything very quickly. Yeah, once you get out of la yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's interesting. Yeah. So anyway, how do we wrap this one up? Everybody's falling asleep by now skip you can wake up now. That is fun? Is it? 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