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And Austrian Audio, making passion heard.
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Now, you had a bit of an incident
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over the weekend.
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Or actually, it was probably yesterday.
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Robbo, with someone using Source Connect 3, trying
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to connect with someone on Source Connect 4.
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Other way around.
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Yeah, actually.
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I've had someone call me and they were
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having some trouble with Source Connect.
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In fact, they were panicking.
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They were shitting themselves.
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They had a session at 8 o'clock
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in the morning.
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And they downloaded their two-day license for
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Source Connect.
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And she got in touch with me because
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she was panicking that there was no license
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popping up in her iLock.
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So, it kind of clinked with me that
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perhaps she downloaded a 4, not realizing that
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4 was the only one you could do
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that with.
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I actually found out that from Robert later
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on.
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But anyway, long story short, I got in
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touch with Robert and he talked me through
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the process of the bridge, which was going
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to be the original plan because Robert kindly
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dropped a 3.9 temporary license in this
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lady's account to get her going.
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But if she had to go the other
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way with 4, we were going to use
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the bridge.
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And I'd never even heard of the bridge.
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Every time we've discussed Source Connect 3 and
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4 compatibility on this show, my understanding was
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that they didn't talk at all.
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So, anyway, we found the bridge and I
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was shocked at how easy it is to
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set up and how well it worked.
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So, I kind of figured it would be
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worth talking about today because I reckon it
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would be a headache solver for a lot
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of people.
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It will.
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I mean, I think there's a number of
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advantages to considering the bridge.
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It's true that bridges add latency because you're
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going through two systems instead of one, so
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it's not a direct connection.
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But there's certain situations where it might be
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almost best.
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If you think about a voice talent who's
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on the road with a Windows machine, they
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can't get their ports forwarded.
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Source Connect 3 really needs or wants port
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forwarding.
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Source Connect 4 doesn't need port forwarding.
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So that talent who's on the road on
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a Windows machine would be much better off
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connecting via Source Connect 4.
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And if they have a studio who, for
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whatever reason, is still using version 3, then
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the bridge might actually be preferred in that
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situation at least because you know you're going
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to get through to the bridge and you
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assume the studio is set up.
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And then you don't have to worry about,
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will my ports work or not?
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A little bit different for Mac users.
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You know, Mac Source Connect 3.9 to
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3.9, it has other means of getting
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through without ports, so that's generally not as
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big of a problem.
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That traveling with Source Connect is really just
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an issue for Windows users.
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But the new issue that's starting to come
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up is that Sequoia, for example, and the
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newest Mac operating systems are really starting to
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give a bit of trouble to Source Connect
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3.
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Like the nightmare situation would be, imagine a
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talent running a really old Mac operating system
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like Sierra that cannot do Source Connect 4.
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And then the studio, fully updated, and they
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can't do Source Connect 3 because Sequoia and
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whatnot is having trouble with Source Connect 3.
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So now, again, the bridge is the only
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way to get across that one reliably.
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And they're not as bad as, you know,
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they're very quick to set up.
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They're on everybody's dashboard.
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I was surprised how simple it was to
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set up.
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I mean, literally, you go into your account,
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you click on Bridge, you click the person
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you want to connect to, thinks about it
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for 30 seconds, 60 seconds, and bang, you're
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good.
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And then all you've got to do is
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go back to your, whether it be 3
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or 4, go back to your Source Connect
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plug-in, and just instead of selecting the
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person you're connecting to directly, you can select
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the bridge.
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Really simple.
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So the one difference is that both people
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have to connect to the bridge.
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The bridge doesn't dial out to anybody.
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Both ends dial.
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And the bridge contact shows up on each
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person's or each side's contacts list.
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And in most cases, you don't even have
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to really worry about, you know, it's bridge
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792445.
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But really, in most cases, people don't have
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multiple bridges going simultaneously.
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So it'll probably be the only bridge that
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shows up on your contacts list because once
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you're done with that bridge, it will go
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away from your contacts list.
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Yeah.
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And the timing is because it takes up
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a crap load of room on the server.
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Is that right?
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Well, it's a real system.
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So there are a limited number of bridges,
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actually.
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I think there's eight of them.
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Right.
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Wow.
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But we've not really had an issue.
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I think people don't realize what, you know,
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and they don't care.
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They just want it to work.
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But the amount of engineering and making that
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automate and work that easily is, it's not
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trivial at all.
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It's pretty impressive that it does what it
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does.
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And, again, they put in that time, money,
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and effort into building a system for free
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that is really temporarily solving a problem until
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everybody moves to the new version.
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It's pretty cool that it's just there.
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Yeah.
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Three and four were so different, just to
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fill everyone in, three and four are so
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different that three does not connect to four,
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thus the need for the bridge.
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But also, for us, it made a lot
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more sense to make something like the bridge
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than to significantly delay and invest in a
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huge feature that would only be useful for
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maybe two years.
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And then what's the point of the connections
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to three within four?
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I'd never seen it, and Robbo was talking
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about it before we started recording this.
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And so we did it, he said, jump
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on and let's connect via the bridge, which
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we did.
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And I was like, holy shit, that was
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really easy.
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The bridges do cancel out, auto-restore, auto
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-replace.
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I would say that technically it's better to
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connect directly between versions, but if there's any
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reason why you or the studio can't use
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whatever other version, the bridge is there.
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And as you said, they're easy to use.
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And unfortunately, I've seen some talent at times
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where they're like, I'm on four, I need
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to be on four because they're on Windows
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and it's easier.
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And the studio just went, no bridge, period.
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Like, absolutely not.
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And it's like, did you try it?
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And they just throw down their whatever.
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That's kind of annoying.
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Yeah.
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And what's your thought about the fact that
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it's a bit like a car with a
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meter and it has a clock.
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And so when the clock gets below 15
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minutes, you have 15 minutes to click add
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more time.
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If not because it's a limited resource, it
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will cut the whole bridge off if you
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don't keep on extending it.
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Is that from both ends?
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No, because the only end that manages the
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bridge is the side that initiates it.
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So if you call up the bridge, you're
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calling it up for, you pick from your
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contacts list who you want to connect with,
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and it populates the bridge contact in your
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contacts list and whoever you designated.
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So then if you did that, you're the
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person that's managing that bridge.
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You have the clock.
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You can do this from your cell phone.
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If you're in the booth, you could have
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your cell phone with a little clock clicking
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away.
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It's just a window.
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You don't close it, and you just click.
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I've got to be honest.
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For me, for most of the Source Connect
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sessions I do, half an hour would be
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enough for maybe one or two tracks.
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And if there was more, that extra 15
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minutes, I mean, I think you can take
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another 15 minutes three or four times before
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you've got to actually refresh the whole thing.
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Even more.
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So it's funny how slow we are at
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updating the web page.
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It says 90 minutes, but the reality is
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I think it gives you up to two
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and a half hours of refreshes.
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Well, there you go.
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And that would be more than enough.
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Should I ever do?
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I fucking hope so anyway.
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No, no.
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Do you need at least two and a
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half hours if you're doing a 10-second
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tag?
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Take 110.
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Did I ever tell you that story?
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When I was at George Pat's, I'd only
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just left radio, and I was sort of
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getting used to the, and I say this
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in the nicest possible way, the pretentiousness of
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advertising agencies, and we were launching a new
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magazine.
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It was called Take Five Magazine, and the
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two Mels were in charge of the launch
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of this magazine, and they did the TVC.
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And Henry Zeps, who unfortunately has recently passed
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away, RIP Henry, a great guy, they had
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him down in a studio.
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To do the tag, Take Five Magazine, out
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now.
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Two and a half hours later, Henry was
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still in the booth and turned around and
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said, listen, I've got to go.
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If you don't have it by now, you'll
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never have it, and left.
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It sounds like that TV show, The Valkyries,
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or what was it that you, the one
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from England, where the guy's an actor?
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Toast of London.
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Toast of London, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
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Great show.
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It's very funny.
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But yeah, I've had sessions where it's like
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the shorter the script, the longer the session,
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and I'd won only a few weeks ago,
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and it got to the point where I
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just had to stop talking to make the
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engineer jump in and start managing the session
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because it was just getting right out of
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control, and I thought, right, I'm just going
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to not say anything, which then instigated the
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engineer jumping in and going, look, I really
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think we've got everything we need.
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Unless there's something specific you need, I think
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we're covered.
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And eventually it was like, okay, great, thank
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you, bye-bye.
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At some point you just start doing it
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exactly the same every time.
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Like you just purposely.
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I've had people come in here, though.
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This is really weird.
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I won't mention who it was, but a
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voice talent came here during COVID and had
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to do a session, and it's always the
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thing, can you give us three in a
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row of that short sentence or whatever, tag
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or whatever.
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This person did three in a row, but
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they were all exactly the same.
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Yes, people do that.
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And then they go, oh, yeah, we actually
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like the second one.
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It's good, I think so.
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Yeah.
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It's just bizarre.
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I think sometimes with your direction you've got
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to be a bit clearer.
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Can you give us three in a row?
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I think it means to them, can you
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give me three the way you hear it
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in a row?
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I think you've got to say, can you
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mix them up, give us three in a
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row or something like that, you know what
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I mean?
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Make it clear, because I've noticed that a
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lot.
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Add some variety, yeah.
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Is it the same as what we say
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when we say ABC?
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Can you ABC that for us?
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Yeah, give me an ABC on that or
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three in a row, or a series of
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three.
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But that's why it's called ABC, not A
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-A-A.
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Actually, can you give me an A-A
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and a B, please?
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That's the Canadian version.
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A-A-A.
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A-A-A.
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A.
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I like A.
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What do you think about B-A?
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A.
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I like C-A.
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Yeah.
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Well, since we're on a tangent, I've got
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another good one for you.
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It just stumbled into my inbox or my
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whatever, wall or something, and it was a
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memo.
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I had to verify that this is actually
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authentic, but it was a memo from the
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executive staff at Apple in February 1st, 1980,
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and the subject is called typewriters.
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And it says, effective immediately.
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No more typewriters are to be purchased, leased,
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et cetera, et cetera.
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Apple's an innovative company.
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Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Yes, we must believe and lead in all
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areas of word processing.
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It's so neat, we all must use it.
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And it goes on.
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It says, by 1-1-81, no typewriters
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at Apple.
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And then it says in parentheses, Ken, get
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rid of the deck word processor, A-S
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-A-P.
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You know who you are, Ken.
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So at some point, SourceConnect 3 has to
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go away and everybody has to move to
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4 because technology marches on, you know.
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It's so funny, you're caught in a corner.
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Because if you don't improve the technology, then
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everyone who wants to upgrade is pissed off
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at you.
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And then if you do upgrade the technology
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and you have to move it forward and
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then you have to leave something behind, everybody
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who wants to hold on to their old
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computer and their old system is pissed off
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at you.
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And you're just standing in the middle of
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the road getting crushed by...
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Run over.
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But at least if you realize that, you're
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ahead of the game than not realizing that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, if you're not pissing somebody
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off, you're doing something wrong.
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Wait, I don't know.
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Something like that.
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Exactly.
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I think there's a saying that goes along
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those lines.
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We piss people off every week if they
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keep coming back.
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So, you know, there's something in that too.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I'm still married, so here you go.
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But one thing we should make clear also,
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because if you go on to like ChatGPT...
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Yes.
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Oh, it says stereo...
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It may give you some misinformation.
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Well, it's not.
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ChatGTP is not incorrect from what it's reading.
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We have some incorrect information on our website
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which we will fix.
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It says that the bridges are stereo by
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default.
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They are, in fact, mono by default.
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And we'll change that in time for SourceConnect
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3 to completely go away.
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Yeah, and this isn't about ChatGPT, and there's
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a lot of people that, you know, either
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people think it's magic or they don't trust
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it, right?
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But I will say this about ChatGPT 5,
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like if you use it in search mode,
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people don't know it has two modes, like
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normal chat and search.
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When it's in search mode, it references every
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search result that it gives you in that
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answer.
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So, and if you're not sure, click on
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the reference and read the original link.
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In fact, I encourage you to do it
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because that means the person who actually put
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the content out there that it's stealing from
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or scraping is getting rewarded because you're going
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to their actual site, you know?
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So, I recommend you do it.
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I find it's funny because we used to
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joke how, you know, when it was harder
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to build your own search, we had a
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search on our website.
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Was it powered by Google?
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Well, I forget what it was, but however
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it went, I found it just myself and
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other users found that it was easier to
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search our website with Google than with our
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own website.
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Right.
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Like Google searched our website better than our
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own website could search itself.
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That's right.
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And it's kind of like, it seems to
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be happening with ChatGPT now.
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Yeah.
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Well, that is definitely true on my website.
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I could not get my web developer to
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build me a search engine of my own
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website to save a freaking life.
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It's amazing with Google.
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I built my own custom GTP, which is
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not cheap to operate, but I have my
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own custom GTP with my own language model
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of my own freaking website so that you
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can go and type into the chatbot stuff
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you're looking for on the website.
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That was my workaround.
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And is it perfect?
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No, but it's pretty damn good.
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And it gives you a lot of useful
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information in the process.
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But I had to build something out of
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a chatbot to be able to search my
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own site, which is kind of insane.
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When you think about it.
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Exactly.
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Is that GTPGTT?
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The Le Mans GTP?
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It's got a lot of names.
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GeorgeBot, GTTBot, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
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But I have it.
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Since you're on that bend, I've got the
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perfect way to end this episode.
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If you've got the shits that version 3
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and 4 of SourceConnect won't talk, build a
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bridge.
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And it's not a bridge too far.
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It's very easy to find.
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Well, that was fun.
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Is it over?
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