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I'm me and welcome to another pro
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thanks to Austrian
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00:38:24
Don't forget the tribes MMO.
00:38:26
It's all new and it's not a small
so it's good for traveling.
00:38:30
Speaking of which, tribe is there?
00:38:32
I see lots of people talking about changes
to making comments that I know
00:38:37
are unfounded, but I think we should do
a bit of myth busting.
00:38:41
I was actually in a room
the other day or a page,
00:38:44
and there was a post there
from someone that said something like,
00:38:48
and I'm paraphrasing,
but it was something like,
00:38:49
why would I buy a tribe boost when I can
make my own for, you know, X dollars?
00:38:53
And it's like, I think
there's a bit more to it than that.
00:38:57
It's just sort of. Like, yeah.
00:38:59
It's it's funny.
00:39:00
People just look at the
00:39:01
look at a few pipes in some
and some blankets and go, well, you know.
00:39:04
Why I should actually preface this
by saying that when I first
00:39:08
saw the tribe boost, I thought,
I'm gonna have a go at making one.
00:39:11
Of course, I was privy to that and.
00:39:13
It was expensive.
00:39:16
It cost me a lot more than I thought
it was going to cost, and it didn't work.
00:39:19
And it was just massive and horrid.
00:39:22
So come on, George,
give us all the company secrets,
00:39:23
because we all want to make our own now.
00:39:25
Yeah, well,
00:39:25
I mean, you know, most charlatans
mainly designed products start that way.
00:39:29
I can make crappy or cheaper version
of that and sell it for four times.
00:39:33
You know, that's like,
I just made that my men that were putting.
00:39:37
I like I. Thought you as being very smart.
00:39:39
Artisanal and Charlotte from Charlotte
dismally design manual.
00:39:44
But yeah, that's what a lot of products
start that way,
00:39:47
you know, they're just like,
oh, shit, I can make that.
00:39:49
And they make it, and I'm
going to make it as cheap as possible.
00:39:51
But the number one goal being a profit
making adventure.
00:39:55
Period. Full stop.
Of course we're running.
00:39:57
We I should say Rick Bosman. I'm.
00:39:59
No, I'm in no way
part of the operations of a business.
00:40:02
It's fully. Rick.
00:40:04
But the point of the company
is to make money
00:40:06
and subside and and exist and persist.
00:40:10
And it has been able to do that
because of what is charged per unit
00:40:15
ad that not been built in
at the price point that it is,
00:40:19
we would have slowly bled ourselves dry
because actually what's happened,
00:40:23
we haven't raised the price of the tribus
00:40:27
original right, since it was launched
almost six years ago,
00:40:31
and the cost of everything has gone up.
00:40:35
Materials and labor, both.
00:40:37
So the product makes far less profit
than it did 4 or 5 years ago,
00:40:42
which is the exact opposite of what
a company wants to have happen.
00:40:46
Right?
00:40:46
It's like when you're here,
would you make a product to sell?
00:40:51
You try to lower costs over time,
not have them increase.
00:40:54
We've had the reverse happen
and we do promotions.
00:40:59
We meaning Rick,
I keep saying we I'm I'm a partner
00:41:03
in terms of its design,
but really it is 100% Rick's operation.
00:41:07
And the promotions
happen at every holiday.
00:41:10
And there's discount codes on our show
and the promote.
00:41:13
And so many of them are sold on promotion
so that the margin is even tinier.
00:41:19
So I get a little piece of the action
00:41:23
because I'm building filters
for each person who purchases one.
00:41:27
So all that being said,
that's the reason it costs what it costs.
00:41:33
And also the very best of every possible
00:41:36
material is used in its design
and construction.
00:41:39
Right?
00:41:40
So we're not using off the shelf
plumber's grade PVC.
00:41:44
We're using furniture grade PVC
that's a lot more expensive.
00:41:47
And it's a thinner wall
so that it's much lighter per foot.
00:41:53
The sound blankets we're using,
we have changed
00:41:55
and improved them
several times in its lifespan.
00:41:58
And now for the last three years,
that blankets are a
00:42:01
very high and heavy grade material.
00:42:04
That is something you have to nuance
if you want a product to still ship
00:42:10
and go on a plane and be under a 22 K
00:42:13
23 kg, is that the you're
is that the worst?
00:42:16
Yeah.
00:42:18
I think it's 45 pounds or something.
00:42:19
That's 50 pounds in the US.
00:42:22
Yeah 50 pounds I think it's fine.
00:42:23
It has.
00:42:24
It has to.
00:42:24
Everything has to be considered
to an intense degree
00:42:28
when you have those restrictions.
00:42:30
So you have size restriction,
you have weight restriction
00:42:35
and you have it's got to be good.
00:42:37
It can't just look good.
00:42:39
It also has to performance
hundred. It has to do it.
00:42:41
So if you take all those things
into consideration
00:42:44
and you DIY,
you will have an extremely difficult time
00:42:48
replicating all of those factors yourself.
00:42:52
Trust me.
00:42:53
I've heard it.
00:42:54
I've heard many people mention
making one of their own,
00:42:57
and everybody make something
that's first of all, square.
00:43:01
Okay, now a square bad.
00:43:04
No, not necessarily
for a blanket for squares.
00:43:07
Okay.
00:43:08
But how are you going to pack it into one
standard size
00:43:11
travel suitcase guarantee
not it's not going to work.
00:43:16
And how do we know?
00:43:17
Because that's where we started.
00:43:19
We started
00:43:20
with a conventional square shape,
and we realized we couldn't pack that
00:43:23
into a suitcase.
00:43:24
And we had to figure out
how to make it smaller.
00:43:27
And that's when the triangle floor plan
came out.
00:43:29
Now, of course,
00:43:30
you could probably also cobble together
a triangle floor plan on your own.
00:43:34
There's different ways to do it.
00:43:36
But it's still not going to break down
and be as easy to transport
00:43:40
and have the least number of parts
possible to still give you those results.
00:43:44
So that's my little like answer to the
I could make it myself.
00:43:49
Don't don't even factor in the labor time.
00:43:52
Like I don't know your hourly rate
is that you bill for your skills?
00:43:56
Whatever those skills are, I can guarantee
it's too expensive to build a trip.
00:44:02
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:02
And be with all the issues
that you guys have already dealt with too.
00:44:05
That's the other thing.
00:44:06
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:07
So this is these are the reasons
it costs what it costs.
00:44:09
Am I dreaming
00:44:12
or did we talk about some of the design
aspects in terms of,
00:44:16
acoustics actually inside the trade
booth, like
00:44:19
the blankets not touching the floor
and stuff like that.
00:44:22
Was that purely a weight consideration,
00:44:24
or do I remember
you saying something about,
00:44:27
the sort of higher frequencies and the how
it helped that having some air coming?
00:44:31
No, it didn't really come down
to frequencies.
00:44:33
It really came down very much to
a practical application of the material.
00:44:37
It just didn't need to touch the floor.
00:44:39
Was it was that perhaps that was that.
What it was?
00:44:41
What.
00:44:41
Well, so we had to decide again, weight
and size, two restrictions.
00:44:45
We had to decide.
00:44:47
Is it more important to have the blankets
00:44:49
go from the roof height to the floor?
00:44:52
Be one single thickness of blanket
from top to bottom,
00:44:56
or was it better to have the blankets
overlap themselves at double
00:45:00
the thickness of blanket at the top
one third of the.
00:45:03
Booth, which is where the microphone and.
00:45:05
Sacrifice space at the bottom
and have the bottom be open.
00:45:08
That's what it was.
00:45:09
So we of course tested those things too.
00:45:12
And what we found out
was you got better performance
00:45:14
when you doubled up the blanket
layer up by the microphone
00:45:18
where the microphone actually
is as well as on the roof.
00:45:21
So after we doubled the sides up
and got the double layer
00:45:25
wrapping all the way around you,
we still had a single layer on the roof.
00:45:30
Well, in the room we were testing it in.
00:45:32
Rick had this room in his house
that was very barren.
00:45:34
It was actually
a really good use case of this space
00:45:37
because it had hardwood floor
and it was very had minimal furnishings.
00:45:41
So it was like a weird bonus room
off the side of the garage or something.
00:45:45
And it was a great place to test
because we were testing it
00:45:48
and still realizing
there was too much liveliness.
00:45:50
You're still getting too much river.
00:45:53
And I thought, well, okay,
we have a double layer on the sides.
00:45:58
What if we were to figure out,
00:45:59
what if we just double up the roof
and just put another layer over the top?
00:46:04
And that made a significant difference.
00:46:06
It was like, wow, okay, that really works.
00:46:09
So then what
increased the cost of fabrication
00:46:12
quite a bit was
how do you make a triangle piece
00:46:15
for the roof
that looks neat and fits nicely?
00:46:18
Then I have another triangle piece
that fits inside that piece.
00:46:21
And so in doesn't
hang down and doesn't fall apart.
00:46:26
That was actually really difficult.
00:46:27
That was the number one
most difficult thing to build
00:46:32
correctly was the triangle roof.
00:46:35
And for many years Rick's wife
00:46:38
sewed these herself on.
00:46:41
Not professional grade sewing machines,
mind you.
00:46:44
Just, you know, like a serious
amateur would use.
00:46:47
Not industrial grade. Right.
00:46:49
And she would sell these herself
and we would have other people
00:46:53
try to make them, you know, we had several
different vendors or local fabricators,
00:46:59
assembly people seem, I don't know
if they call them seamstresses anymore.
00:47:03
That's an old school term.
00:47:05
But we had different
people try to make them,
00:47:07
and they were not doing it up to snuff.
00:47:09
And Rick's like,
no, this isn't good enough.
00:47:11
My wife Tamara is going to have
to keep making these.
00:47:14
And she,
she and she did for the first four years.
00:47:18
And now that they
have relocated to Oregon,
00:47:22
where cost of labor is
00:47:23
cheaper,
you know, everything's less expensive,
00:47:26
you're going to find a lovely husband
and wife couple who are now
00:47:29
handle assembling the boots for, tribals.
00:47:32
Okay.
00:47:32
So, gentlemen, I believe,
is doing the fabrication of the frames,
00:47:37
and his wife is doing the sewing,
00:47:40
so they are still handmade in Oregon,
you know,
00:47:44
and and so then you would say, well,
why don't you make them in China, right?
00:47:48
Of course. That's
where everything cheap is made.
00:47:51
It becomes a scaling issue. Right.
00:47:53
So we want to get this thing to compete
with the other things on Amazon.
00:47:58
We can't make ten at a time.
00:48:01
We'd have to make a thousand at a time,
you know.
00:48:04
Well,
you guys know we've all been through it
00:48:05
now with the with the
with the passport video and what it cost
00:48:08
to make small numbers
of hand-built product,
00:48:11
no matter where they're made,
whether it's made in China or in the U.S.
00:48:15
or Canada, it doesn't matter.
00:48:16
We're Australia, it's a matter of scale.
00:48:20
And so, yeah, these are made in small
batches because, again, Rick very wisely
00:48:25
decided he wasn't going to take out
some massive loan
00:48:29
as a startup for the company
or become beholden
00:48:32
to a VC, a venture capitalist
or some other thing.
00:48:37
He bootstrapped this on his own dime
and built it organically.
00:48:42
And so that's the other reason
why it is a small run
00:48:46
and still kind of expensive product.
00:48:48
You know, that's what happens
if this thing was made by the ten,
00:48:51
by the thousand in China,
00:48:54
we wouldn't have control over how well
it's made and how well it's so together.
00:48:57
And the actual materials
the blankets are made out of,
00:49:00
they could any time
switch them out to something cheaper.
00:49:05
And then all of a sudden the next thousand
smells like a chemical factory
00:49:09
because they used a crappy
or smelly zigzag.
00:49:12
Like.
00:49:12
Blanket, like do research
for sound blankets on, you know, moving
00:49:15
blankets on online and type in the words
smell or stinks or smelly.
00:49:21
And you'll see that so many products
smell really terrible.
00:49:24
Yeah.
00:49:24
I mean, I don't know how many things
you order from Amazon or online,
00:49:27
but sometimes you open the package and
the smell is bizarrely chemically laden.
00:49:32
I just got these, lighting diffuser
panels for lights for a studio I'm doing.
00:49:37
And I opened the package
and it was that weird,
00:49:40
familiar chemical, floral, carb, any.
00:49:44
Funky.
00:49:45
Chemical smell when I opened the package,
you know, and I was like, yeah.
00:49:49
And hopefully they're not going to notice
00:49:51
because you know these things are confined
spaces for voiceover.
00:49:55
You're in a very small space
and you're breathing heavily.
00:49:59
All right. It's all part of voiceover.
00:50:01
The last thing you want to be
00:50:02
is like ensconced in talks
about distractions and smelling.
00:50:06
So that's another consideration right.
00:50:08
It's very important to us.
00:50:09
So that's there's just so much
we thought about and obsessed over
00:50:14
to get to the design that it is.
00:50:17
And just and just scaling it up
is incredibly difficult
00:50:21
and still maintain the.
00:50:23
The clothes.
00:50:24
The thing I like
about the fact of the triangle,
00:50:27
is that when you're traveling
and you're in a hotel room or something
00:50:31
that's not overly sizable,
and you don't have the luxury
00:50:35
of having a spare room to set it up
in, it fits nicely in a corner.
00:50:39
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:39
That would mean it was said
that the corner, the corner ability of it
00:50:43
and taking less space
is certainly a big part of,
00:50:47
the practical side of it being a triangle.
00:50:49
But the actual acoustical benefits of it
being a triangle
00:50:53
isn't something
that we've really been able to quantify.
00:50:56
Right, if you know what I mean.
00:50:57
We haven't been able to go, like, well,
if it was a rectangle of the same exact
00:51:01
material in this size, how would it sound
in comparison to this triangle format?
00:51:06
But the bottom line is, you know, it's
not a soundproof box, it's not a chamber.
00:51:12
It's it's a filter.
00:51:13
The sound passes through the materials,
it goes out into the space,
00:51:18
reverberates around
and then whatever remains
00:51:21
comes back and filters
through the blankets again.
00:51:24
So you're getting like a lot of bang
for your buck out of that material,
00:51:28
because it's not just hitting a
00:51:30
thin fabric and
and hitting a wall and bouncing off.
00:51:34
It's passing through, dissipating,
and then closing back.
00:51:37
So that that opens up a whole.
00:51:39
Another question
then George going back to our episode
00:51:41
a couple of weeks
ago, what's the noise? Floor.
00:51:45
Yeah, right.
00:51:48
It's a thing we stand on.
00:51:49
Yeah, exactly.
00:51:50
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:51
It's it's weird,
but I, it's funny with the, the
00:51:55
you talk about the filter,
I used it 1 in 1 hotel room.
00:51:58
I was in Sydney, and,
I only had one place I could put it,
00:52:03
and it was a weird room, and
I think I've mentioned this before, but,
00:52:06
my bedroom actually had a glass wall
and a glass door.
00:52:11
Yeah.
00:52:12
And so in the sitting area, that's
00:52:15
where I had to set it up,
but I had to set it up.
00:52:17
So one side was actually
the triangle was against the glass.
00:52:20
Okay.
00:52:21
So one bit against glass
to get against the walls.
00:52:24
Yeah. That must have affected
the sound a little bit.
00:52:26
And that was well,
it did, but not dramatically.
00:52:29
I couldn't hear it.
But that doesn't mean much.
00:52:32
But I certainly know one complaint.
00:52:33
It said, that's good.
00:52:35
You're not going to get a reverb issue
as much as you may get a resonance issue.
00:52:38
So now when the when 1 or 2 of the sides
are very close to a wall,
00:52:43
you're going to get more likely
some kind of resonating issue, because now
00:52:49
the sound's going through the blanket
and hitting a surface and reflecting back.
00:52:53
And so then you might get something
we would call comb filtering.
00:52:57
You may get a little bit of a mid range
something or other
00:53:01
that happens as a result.
00:53:03
And so you know, in an ideal world
00:53:06
the booth would really not be very close
to any one wall, maybe one wall.
00:53:11
But not really a corner.
00:53:13
So the irony is it makes sense
to put in a corner, but you would
00:53:17
theoretically the best possible sound
you would get
00:53:20
is when it's not in a corner
like more in the middle of the room.
00:53:23
Right.
So that's not always practical, you know.
00:53:26
But these are
the things that affect sound.
00:53:28
And so we want to take
all those things into account.
00:53:31
So when people ask where do I put it
00:53:33
so well corner is the obvious choice
if that's all you got.
00:53:36
But if you can put it somewhere else,
that's great too.
00:53:39
Another thing we found was that simply
throwing a blanket on the floor
00:53:43
can give you the last five, 10%,
00:53:46
absorption that you might need.
00:53:49
So if it's a really
spartan room, all hardwood,
00:53:53
you know,
00:53:53
very Spartan or, God forbid, tile
while you're.
00:53:56
In Fiji or something like that.
Yeah, exactly.
00:53:59
Spain, South America, anywhere they love
tile.
00:54:01
Tile is so reflective,
so that's where you get the most trouble.
00:54:06
So then taking a blanket or comforter
and putting it underneath the boot,
00:54:09
so you're standing on this large
absorbing thing
00:54:12
can give you the last 10% of absorption
that you need.
00:54:17
I've also had people throw
another blanket over the entire tribal.
00:54:21
This roof.
00:54:22
I think that can help too,
00:54:23
but I have found that
it was still more effective.
00:54:25
Just put one on the floor and it's easier
to it's and it's easier than trying
00:54:29
to put one over the whole tribe
because that's a lot of weight.
00:54:33
And you know, all that extra weight
on this frame, it can be you can damage it
00:54:37
when you try to take it apart.
You have to be careful.
00:54:39
You know, the other option that on that
just occurred to me that you should put in
00:54:42
this thing is
00:54:43
you could have an optional add on, have a
of a room service tray holder, you know.
00:54:48
So while you while you're recording you
can have your, your lunch or your dinner
00:54:52
or your breakfast there in front of you
while you're munching away.
00:54:54
I mean, you're on
holidays after all. Come on.
00:54:57
I know, yeah, I know, there's
00:54:59
so many cool accessories that we would
that we could put in that package.
00:55:03
You know, that's.
00:55:04
Also the other advantage
of buying the tri boot is
00:55:07
it comes with the does
it not comes with your iPad holder.
00:55:10
It comes with your mic
stand comes with the light
00:55:13
and all that stuff, stuff that
you would never have if you made your own.
00:55:17
Exactly.
00:55:17
And you go buy all those objects,
which you certainly can.
00:55:20
You know, we're not getting these again.
00:55:23
We're not buying
those things at a 1000 at a time.
00:55:25
We're buying them
ten units at a time from the same retail
00:55:29
established
meant that you would be pretty much.
00:55:31
So we're not getting some crazy pricing.
00:55:34
We're buying
almost all the accessories at retail.
00:55:36
So there's not any margin
on any of that stuff.
00:55:40
We just are turning it around.
00:55:42
And so we will we do it
because we just want it to be easy.
00:55:47
The whole thing was think of everything.
00:55:51
What is all the random annoying stuff
an actor
00:55:54
wish they had brought or packed
or forgot to bring?
00:55:58
What can we have already in the kit?
00:56:00
And that's what's in the box.
00:56:01
And so yeah, the even the copy
holder is sturdy enough to hold a laptop.
00:56:05
I don't know if I would put a 7 pound
MacBook Pro 16 inch on it.
00:56:10
Could do it probably in a pinch,
but a 13 inch MacBook air or an iPad or
00:56:16
no problem.
00:56:17
It'll it'll hold those things
with no issue.
00:56:19
Well, I did the last trip.
00:56:21
I did, but that's exactly what I did.
00:56:24
I put my MacBook Pro on the
the copy stand perfect
00:56:30
so I can record and, and,
you know, read off the MacBook.
00:56:35
So go back.
00:56:36
Go back for skip
a few years when you tried
00:56:39
making your own
because it was a dismal failure.
00:56:42
I remember, but but I mean, how much time,
how much time
00:56:45
and how much money do you reckon
you sunk into doing that?
00:56:48
To go only to go?
00:56:49
You know what?
00:56:50
It would have been easier just to buy one.
00:56:51
Well, I did it as an experiment
because I wanted to find out if, yes,
00:56:55
I could do it.
00:56:56
And I did build something,
but it was ridiculously large.
00:57:01
It was prohibitively expensive,
I remember.
00:57:02
Yeah, it was hideously expensive and,
a dismal well,
00:57:06
I'm going to say a dismal failure.
00:57:08
It wasn't totally dismal, but it didn't do
anything that it should have done.
00:57:13
It was really heavy,
very expensive and labor intensive.
00:57:17
Yeah.
00:57:17
The first try boots
that was made, wasn't it?
00:57:20
Tried this again.
00:57:20
It was a rectangle and it would pack down
00:57:24
into a golf case, golf clubs case.
00:57:27
So you know big tennis right.
00:57:29
It's tall. Yeah. It's large and bulky.
00:57:32
And Rick carried and dragged that thing to
and from the airport a couple of times.
00:57:38
And he's like, dude,
this is just too freaking big and heavy.
00:57:41
It's too awkward to travel with this thing
all the time.
00:57:45
And how are we going to make this smaller?
00:57:47
And that's when we really dug into like,
okay, how do we shrink it?
00:57:50
How many we have to shrink it.
00:57:51
We had to have more sections
to each of the legs.
00:57:55
All right.
00:57:55
Well then
how long should this sections be?
00:57:58
You know, it.
00:57:59
It's just when you get into the details
and you look closer and closer,
00:58:03
you find more details.
00:58:06
That's, That's why I just got
00:58:08
such a such a process to design this thing
and be nuanced.
00:58:14
In fact, the new one, the memo,
which I had no direct
00:58:18
involvement whatsoever
in actually design and fabricating,
00:58:21
that was another challenge because now
we wanted to fit it into a carry on bag.
00:58:26
So the longest leg section
had to be much shorter
00:58:30
than what was on the regular track.
00:58:32
This thing, the longest leg piece on
the tribe, was about 24in, roughly,
00:58:37
maybe something like that.
00:58:38
And then the longest leg section
on the memo could only be like
00:58:42
18in, 16in, something like that.
00:58:45
So then you had to figure out exactly what
length those pipes should actually be,
00:58:49
and then you want those pipes to be
the essentially the all the same length,
00:58:54
so that when it folds down, it's
using every square
00:58:57
inch of the inside of the suitcase.
00:59:00
Right.
00:59:01
And you also want to order all those pipes
00:59:03
cut precut for you
so that you can assemble them more easily.
00:59:07
Now you should have. The suitcase with it.
00:59:09
For which one? The dilemma.
00:59:11
The memo.
00:59:11
It should have come
with its own carry on suitcase.
00:59:14
You could have one if you just want
to just add $100 to the price.
00:59:19
I mean.
00:59:20
Yeah.
00:59:21
I mean everybody, everybody
that once that has
00:59:24
a carry on suitcase
is the reason they want.
00:59:27
So that was part of the reason
I think it was also a cost price point.
00:59:30
But I as I was telling them earlier
like they we don't make points or profit
00:59:34
on all those retail items like the cases,
the cases and the lights and the
00:59:40
power strips and all the other stuff
is all that stuff's bought at retail.
00:59:44
You know, we can't
we we'd have to order hundreds of units,
00:59:48
which we just can't do for free
cash flow perspective.
00:59:51
Nor do we have place to keep it. Yeah.
00:59:53
To store it. All. Yeah.
00:59:55
So it's a very nuanced thing.
00:59:57
The way to scale that. It's made up.
00:59:59
Even the R&D that went into that.
01:00:01
I do remember when it was first announced
and we did an episode with Rick
01:00:06
and yourself here.
I think you were Rick's place.
01:00:09
You out in a.
01:00:10
Yeah.
01:00:10
Somewhere we were in I tribus in Rick's.
01:00:14
It was like a community room
in his building.
01:00:17
Yeah, that was his very empty room.
01:00:20
Had, like, a sofa and that's it.
01:00:22
And we were standing in there together
with the booth in the booth,
01:00:25
which was kind of funny.
01:00:26
And kind of intimate and. Intimate.
01:00:28
Yeah. It's true there, you know,
01:00:31
have you ever,
have you got a recording from anybody and,
01:00:36
and have you ever known
whether they're going to try Booth or not?
01:00:39
I can't say I know that if they have
or they I've gotten
01:00:42
plenty of clothes closets,
01:00:44
lots of overly tubby booths,
you know, like the booth.
01:00:48
Me somewhere
between 100 to 100 and 40 or 150Hz.
01:00:54
It's all. It's.
01:00:55
Yeah, it's on that,
like 300 and down like that.
01:00:58
Yeah. Sound.
01:00:58
And you can eat.
01:00:59
You can eat you. It's not.
01:01:00
It's not under usable. Yeah.
01:01:03
But you can tell someone's
in like a tiny square booth.
01:01:06
Yeah.
01:01:08
I've never had anybody tell me or admit
that they're using a try.
01:01:12
Booth.
01:01:12
I would actually assume that the tri booth
would sound better than the box,
01:01:17
because it probably doesn't
have the standing waves in the same way.
01:01:21
Right?
01:01:22
Doesn't that the 4x4 booth do like
01:01:25
it doesn't knock out the outside sound?
01:01:28
It does a good enough job.
01:01:30
If you're not doing anything really loud,
it does a good enough job
01:01:33
of getting rid of the room reflections.
01:01:37
You know, if you're not screaming and
really exciting the room, it kills that.
01:01:41
So it does have its advantages.
01:01:42
Actually, if you have a
relatively quiet space ready,
01:01:46
you might actually
01:01:47
be better off with something
like a tri booth thinner than.
01:01:50
A whisper room.
01:01:51
And it was kind of a I said, booth.
01:01:53
Yeah, right.
01:01:54
I agree, I mean, I one of the things
that I'll do as a customer is
01:01:59
I will not just make you a filter,
but I'll even try to match your sound
01:02:02
from your home studio.
01:02:04
Right.
01:02:04
So if you are using the tri booth
for travel,
01:02:07
for many people
this is their only booth actually.
01:02:10
But for those that actually do
use it for travel
01:02:12
and they do have a home studio,
one of the things I'll do for them
01:02:15
is I'll try when I make the filter
to match the IQ of their home booth.
01:02:19
Right. So you add this back in.
01:02:22
Well, that's the travel.
01:02:25
Sometimes I'll get a sample
01:02:26
from the home studio booth, whisper room,
whatever it is.
01:02:30
And it sounds worse. Yeah.
01:02:32
And then I'm like, yeah, what do I do?
01:02:34
Yeah.
01:02:35
So, you know, it's it's a weird
because I'll be like, okay, well,
01:02:38
this is the way it should sound, but
this is the way your home booth sounds.
01:02:43
So I'm going to add to cue here and there
so that they kind of match.
01:02:47
And then there's the whole point
01:02:49
of making the matches
so that you can pick up a job,
01:02:52
take up work,
you know, continue a campaign.
01:02:56
All kind of things are reasons
voice actors work on the road.
01:02:58
You know, they don't you don't work
on the road to do an occasional audition.
01:03:02
You walk on the road
because you just absolutely have to.
01:03:05
Maybe, maybe you work on the road
because you're not working enough
01:03:08
and now you're homeless. Well, yeah.
01:03:11
You know, while you work on the road,
however, you work on the road
01:03:13
because clients can't get the scripts
right the first time around.
01:03:15
That's why.
01:03:17
Oh, yeah.
01:03:17
Because now it's not.
You have to do the pitch that.
01:03:19
Oh, we forgot that.
01:03:20
We forgot to put the phone number in or.
01:03:23
Yeah. Can we.
01:03:24
Yeah. The email address is changed right.
01:03:27
You know,
the promo code is wrong or whatever.
01:03:30
Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:32
But it's funny though, because, like,
you know,
01:03:33
as you know, I do like,
pretty well daily stuff for, Dubai
01:03:38
and weekly
01:03:40
probably jobs for Singapore,
but the daily stuff,
01:03:44
I know that the guy, AJ,
who's the producer engineer in Dubai,
01:03:49
I've sent him stuff that I'm really open,
honest with him and say, look, you know,
01:03:53
I'm on the road. Is it sounding okay?
01:03:55
And I every time, oh, pretty well,
every time I've done that, he said,
01:03:59
I can't even hear the difference.
01:04:00
Mainly because he, he's already
got the processing set.
01:04:03
Up for your.
01:04:04
As a template, so he doesn't
even listen to it before he gets process.
01:04:09
So he has a change.
01:04:10
So he's got.
01:04:11
A team, knows he's
going to run you through that chain.
01:04:14
And so the first thing he does is
after records you from wherever you are.
01:04:17
His hits play on that chain and it matches
well enough with the chain in place.
01:04:23
Yep. He's happy.
01:04:25
He doesn't even doesn't even draws
attention.
01:04:27
Then it's a different thing.
01:04:28
It's it's funny because I mean,
if I'm sitting here, if I'm in my booth
01:04:32
at home, I'm
either using, an 818 or an eight seen
01:04:38
monster in audio through either the Grace
01:04:40
and what I won or a 1073 knife.
01:04:44
But when I'm on the road, I'm
01:04:46
using either when it used to be an SSL two
01:04:50
and now it's similar,
you know, the passport video.
01:04:54
And. By the way, we're
going to have more of those on the market.
01:04:57
It sounds like.
01:04:58
Yes, exactly.
01:04:59
Yeah. I did hear that team.
01:05:00
You don't know when, but we are. Yeah.
01:05:04
We now have, lead over 15,
possibly up to 15 more units.
01:05:10
Wow. That are going to go through
01:05:12
sort of a round to a fabrication,
which involves.
01:05:16
Prefabrication.
01:05:17
A reset refurbishment, let's call it that.
01:05:20
And yeah, and believe it or not,
it involves an x ray machine.
01:05:23
Yes it does. Does.
01:05:24
So the the USB chip
01:05:26
basically what happened is the USB
chips were faulty on that round.
01:05:30
And apparently like this USB chip,
the way it's soldered on,
01:05:33
all the pins are directly underneath it.
01:05:37
So the only way to take it off,
solder it back on.
01:05:41
They have to use an x ray machine
to check the solders
01:05:44
it once it's soldered back on. Wow.
01:05:46
It's like surgery. It is, isn't it?
01:05:48
So that's mind blowing. Not brain surgery.
Yeah, yeah.
01:05:50
Well actually there you go. There's
there's a plug for my new podcast.
01:05:53
It's coming out.
01:05:54
It's it's not brain surgery now.
01:05:55
Well I was going to call it
it's not brain surgery but I've called it.
01:05:58
It's not rocket science but it's about
it's about the science of radio imaging.
01:06:01
So it's sort of about that. Cool.
01:06:03
The process behind it's not about how to
make a sweeper and all that sort of stuff.
01:06:06
It's about, you know what?
01:06:07
Why why do we use radio imaging?
01:06:09
How can we use it, blah blah.
01:06:11
That's going to stick to the guy.
01:06:13
So I thought, it's not rocket
science was a good name.
01:06:16
So yeah, yeah yeah
yeah. That's great. It's a great topic.
01:06:19
I know my my friend
Jodie Crangle does her audio branding one
01:06:22
and that's a lot of what it's about
is bringing people in
01:06:25
who are experts in marketing
and what works psychologically
01:06:30
and why we do what we do
and how and not not so much of the how.
01:06:34
It's not a that's like you said, it's
not a technical thing.
01:06:36
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:37
It's a
01:06:38
I don't want to make it
a, I don't want to make it
01:06:39
a, you know, I love these plug in
01:06:41
because in all that sort of stuff,
it's more about,
01:06:43
you know, thinking about how
how our imaging influences listeners
01:06:47
and also sort of getting a programmers
perspective because it ask an imaging guy
01:06:52
what imaging is about.
01:06:52
And he'll go, oh, it's about all the cool
sounds.
01:06:54
And, you know, using
describe your neck right there.
01:06:56
But ask a programmer director
01:06:58
and he's got a completely different view
on what he wants when he's imaging.
01:07:02
So, you know, it's that's why
I thought it would be a good one.
01:07:04
And if,
if you ask the voiceover talents about.
01:07:08
It's about the voiceover talents. Yeah.
01:07:10
You ask, I pay you to be on the radio
imaging in the first place.
01:07:14
That's right. Exactly.
How do I get that exactly.
01:07:18
Yeah.
01:07:18
So yeah,
everyone's got their own perspective.
01:07:21
But, I mean, I, I'm
actually I'm actually sort of
01:07:24
a getting back on topic,
I'm actually a bit of a Tribhuvan Virgin.
01:07:29
I mean, I've recorded AP a couple of times
for this show from a try booth, and
01:07:34
I was honestly, without blowing sunshine
up your ass, I was honestly impressed
01:07:39
and I sent me some samples
when he's traveled as well.
01:07:42
A few years ago
when he first got it, to have a listen to
01:07:45
and I'll be honest,
there's not much to pick wrong with it.
01:07:48
No, I.
01:07:49
Think the trade booth is like, you know,
you know, studios that have these
01:07:52
like, reflection
filters around the mics and stuff.
01:07:55
Yeah. Or guess.
01:07:57
So. They have a nice live room,
but they don't want a live sound.
01:07:59
And then they put the reflection
01:08:00
filter around the mic,
you know, God forbid a music vocal.
01:08:04
But I think something like
the tribute would be better than those,
01:08:07
reflection filters close to the mic.
01:08:09
And you don't necessarily need a cover,
you don't need to cover the opening
01:08:13
to probably like
for that kind of a use case, like
01:08:16
I tell people all the time,
01:08:17
with your tribe,
you don't have to close the opening.
01:08:21
You can leave the opening open
in many cases.
01:08:25
So if if the space you're in is dead
enough,
01:08:28
that it sounds good with the opening
01:08:32
the door, I guess the flaps flaps up.
01:08:34
If you leave the flaps open
or the flaps up,
01:08:37
you can still get actually
a really good sound.
01:08:40
Sometimes that's all you need.
01:08:41
And if that's the case, it's even better
because you're not having to be
01:08:45
fully enclosed,
which is a little bit less stuffy.
01:08:49
But there's even one more thing.
01:08:52
The fact that there's a space below
01:08:54
the blankets and the floor is a big,
obviously space there.
01:08:58
If you open the roof like a hatch.
01:09:01
Against.
01:09:02
Now you have like an open opening and it
converts convection and it actually draws.
01:09:07
Flaring, stuffy.
01:09:09
Hot air out and the cool air,
it makes a noticeable.
01:09:11
Difference.
01:09:12
So how much do you have to open it
to get that? Not much.
01:09:14
I wouldn't presume how much.
01:09:15
I mean, you only need to just flip
the corner up and you'll have like a small
01:09:19
oh, the cupola.
01:09:21
It's like the cupola in the house.
01:09:22
Yeah, the cupola and a house.
01:09:24
The the thing where the air is vented
01:09:26
through the roof of the house
to keep that.
01:09:27
We call them whirlybirds.
01:09:29
Yeah.
01:09:29
Yeah, yeah.
01:09:30
And stop the stop
the mold from growing in the attic.
01:09:33
Yeah. So, yeah, this is the idea here.
01:09:36
And so,
yeah, it's a shockingly effective thing.
01:09:39
I mean, when you're in an enclosed space
01:09:41
and you give any place for the air
to escape, it's noticeable.
01:09:45
It's very nice. Yeah.
01:09:46
So you have that option too.
01:09:47
And it can really make it
more comfortable.
01:09:49
And the other thing is, of course,
if you do this for a living,
01:09:52
then you work on your mic technique
because that actually plays in as well.
01:09:57
If you're way off the mic
and you're in attributes in a,
01:10:00
you know, a pretty, stark room,
you're going to get reflections and.
01:10:04
The here's
the funny thing that might take me
01:10:07
the best
01:10:08
studios allow for the sloppiest
mic placement.
01:10:12
Yeah. Would you agree with that, Robert?
01:10:14
I would like a really well
designed studio,
01:10:18
you know, like there's no bad combination.
01:10:21
And it's quiet enough that if you're off,
like, you can still pick it up.
01:10:24
And then if you have a really good mic
that has good off axis coloration,
01:10:29
it doesn't sound like garbage
when you're, you know, a.
01:10:32
Foot to one side.
01:10:32
I mean, the for the 40,
the 41 six squares.
01:10:37
But. Right.
01:10:38
Yeah.
01:10:38
But yeah, I mean there's, there's you
I mean, guys, if you haven't
01:10:41
gotten to spend time in a commercial grade
high end studio,
01:10:45
you don't really know,
but you'd be amazed how far away the mic
01:10:49
can be placed in those environments
and still get a really present sound.
01:10:53
It's a very wild thing.
01:10:55
I've heard recordings, and I'll ask
the client how close to the mic are you?
01:10:59
Sounds like you're 4 or 5in away from them
right now.
01:11:02
I'm about a foot away.
01:11:03
I mean, like, how is that even possible?
01:11:05
But then I see the room
or the acoustic setup or whatever
01:11:08
they've done, and I'm like, well, that's
because the acoustics are so good
01:11:12
that they allow you
to be farther from the mic.
01:11:15
So smaller enclosed spaces require tighter
01:11:19
my placement full stops every time.
01:11:23
So is there a
is there a mic that you would recommend?
01:11:25
I mean, I know
01:11:26
most people are going to take their
everyday mic
01:11:28
because for the reasons
we've talked about,
01:11:30
but if you were building a studio
for the first time
01:11:33
and you decided
that you were going to use a try booth,
01:11:35
and then you were thinking, well,
what Mike would I pair with that?
01:11:37
Would you?
01:11:38
Is there a mike you would suggest works
performs better in a try booth,
01:11:42
or is it pretty much
even across the board?
01:11:45
I'm going to guess that in at in Andrews.
01:11:47
You know, besides the 41 six,
I bet you that, but what do you see?
01:11:52
Okay, the.
01:11:54
Yeah, I bet you that kick right in there.
01:11:57
It would be fantastic.
01:11:58
And but I do use 41 six.
01:12:00
That's what goes on there.
01:12:01
Well, I'll. Tell you what I. Mean.
Cut that out. Pretty sight.
01:12:03
This isn't. This is.
01:12:04
No secret.
01:12:05
It's no secret that the mike that Rick
uses and has for 15 years is a 41 six.
01:12:09
Yeah.
01:12:10
So what do you think is the mike we used
when we designed to try this and then.
01:12:13
Well,
I kind of think that thing. Was a fit.
01:12:15
It would make sense as an industry
standard anyway.
01:12:17
I mean, let's be honest.
I mean that's what most I. Mean, when.
01:12:20
Is Austin Audio going to put
a, you know, like a, you know,
01:12:24
a small shotgun attachment
that, that here.
01:12:28
That's true.
01:12:28
That's it will be a killer.
01:12:30
It will be a interchangeable capsule.
01:12:32
Mike. Right.
It is already interchangeable, I believe.
01:12:35
Is isn't it entry?
01:12:37
Not a I don't think so.
01:12:38
Oh, so they're not doing it.
01:12:40
Austin's not doing it
in a changeable capsule yet.
01:12:43
No, I remember unscrew.
01:12:45
Take that.
01:12:46
Yeah. Remember
who bought that Lincoln Unscrews.
01:12:48
Remember who bought Austrian audio
01:12:51
guessing changeable capsule weights.
01:12:54
Yeah.
01:12:55
I mean, they could they could so easily
make a short shotgun attachment to that.
01:13:00
Yeah. You know, it's really funny.
01:13:02
Remember the,
crazy shotgun mic that I, used for,
01:13:07
Or the really long one?
01:13:09
The really long one, right. Was that it?
01:13:10
So what do they call that?
01:13:13
It was the,
Let's see what it is. Here was.
01:13:15
A sunrise.
01:13:17
No, it's the Audio-Technica.
01:13:18
Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah.
01:13:20
It was a really long shotgun.
01:13:21
It's like, 814, I think.
01:13:24
And then I'm on eBay.
01:13:26
And for $22,
01:13:29
a shotgun capsule pops up for that thing.
01:13:32
No. Way.
01:13:33
I'm. I'm like, oh,
I think I'm going to grab that because.
01:13:35
Because I had two of them
01:13:37
and I had another preamp body
and I was like, okay,
01:13:39
then I can have two shotguns
and I get the shotgun.
01:13:42
It's a short shotgun. No way.
01:13:45
So I have a long shotgun in the short
shotgun and a cardioid guide.
01:13:49
Now you really sound like an American.
01:13:50
I've got this shotgun,
I've got that shotgun, blah blah blah.
01:13:53
Except that's right.
01:13:55
And a rack to hold on the back.
01:13:57
Sure.
01:13:59
And I guess.
01:14:00
That would be a funny to get your point.
01:14:02
Like a pickup truck with a shotgun first.
01:14:05
41 six in the back.
01:14:09
We got to do that.
01:14:10
Yeah, that's on the pro audio, right.
01:14:12
That's why that when we do this call,
I do that one pretty quick.
01:14:16
Okay.
01:14:18
Yeah.
01:14:18
The priority. Is my kind of gun. Truck.
01:14:20
Now you can have it
almost like we're hunting clients.
01:14:24
I'm hunting Clyde.
01:14:28
They're doing this before.
01:14:29
Before someone else does.
01:14:30
Someone's going to take that idea
and use it, you know?
01:14:32
Yeah. That's right.
01:14:35
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dispelled some myths about the tribally.
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01:14:48
Does it get them off of the memo as well?
Or is that just the tribe?
01:14:50
It just the tribe is my.
I heard of the memos.
01:14:53
The first 100 units were all $100 off
anyway, so there you go.
01:14:57
Yeah.
01:14:57
So if you buy a memo and you buy it
and there's a first hundred them
01:15:01
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