VO Atlanta 2025 — The Ultimate VO Conference?|The Pro Audio Suite

Welcome to another pro audio suite thanks to Austrian Audio Making, Passion Heard and try Booth. Don't forget the code t ri I PAP two hundred to get two hundred dollars off your try booth. Let's go Welcome Hi. The pro Audio Suite. Those guys a professional and motivated with text. The video stars George Whittam, founder of Sauce Element, Robert Marshall, International Audio Engineer Darren, Robbo Roberts and Global Voice Andrew Peters. Thanks to Tribooth, Austrian Audio Making, Passion Herd, Sauce Elements, George, the tech witsm and Robbo and APS International Demos. Find out more about us check the Pro AudioSuite dot com. Now an event happened well time. This goes to where I guess about a week or so ago was Vio Atlanta? And who was there? George? How was it? I always lucky enough to be there? Yeah, it was, it was. It was good. I mean, you know, there's always a lot of good, you know feelings people. You know, the energy is very very high at those events because you've got you know, voice actors who don't get to see each other but once or twice a year, and so there's just an automatic energy thing that comes with that, right, no matter what the event is or how good or bad it is, that's always a factor, right. So they always have that going for them because no matter what goes on, people are in a pretty good mood, you know. And you know, I got to say the production values. The quality of the audio and video in the live room, in the main presentation room was excellent. They had a very good local company providing audio and video. They had PTZ cameras so they could document and video every presentation in the rooms. In the small rooms, they had GoPros set up just to capture every lecturer so that everybody can watch them back later. There was a lot of really good things going on. And you know, the cost of these shows to attend and sponsor has all gone up, as you can imagine, and you know there's going to be some folks to decide it's just too much to invest, and I get that, but you definitely feel like you're getting some value for the dollar when you see how well it's done in a lot of ways. So the biggest problem with the Atlanta really is the fomo problem. So either you're not there and you're missing out, or you are there and you found out about the other eight things that were going on during that hour that you missed. No matter what, you're missing something. And that's how it goes with these kind of shows because there's so much going on. Yeah, I did have a very good time, and I had made a lot of great connections as well, some a few of them knew, most of them renewed. And really, for me, the most valuable thing was to put the Passport vio in front of people and let them use it. That was the best port evangelist pastor evangelist. I was a passport evangelist for sure. It was really cool that I got to put it up inside are inside a studio bricks booth. In fact, I do actually have a video at some point I'll release of me using it in the booth and I sort of demonstrate using it with my iPhone because it worked so well with the iPhone. I mean, I have a picture of you guys to see it set up in the booth. But what I did was I put it in the booth and I recorded the microphone inside the studio bricks and then I got out of the booth, and then I interviewed Miguel from Studio Bricks and he had a headset mic on right, so I had the road video mic go to so I had him with a headset, I had a mic on me. Those were both going to my phone that I was shooting video with. And then when he goes into the booth, I'm filming from outside through the glass cool which I do right here being and now he's in the booth. But now I had him get on Mike and I said get on Mike, and then he gets on Mike, so I have his audio on Mike record with my phone. And it turns out people were using that setup in case. In this case, we were using a Vanguard, which a full compass. Who's the sponsor this year for Audio Gear had the V four, So we put up a V four in the booth with the passport and people were in there recording with it all weekend, doing auditions, getting jobs done. And then they do this thing called team team and training or team training or sorry forgetting the name of it already, Dan, I'm tired. Dan Friedman puts on this thing every single year and people get together in teams and produce a commercial from soup to nuts in like twenty four hours. It's pretty intense. So they're writing it, figuring out whose job is what, they figure out who's going to voice it, and then they do the production and the mix and everything all you know, over the weekend, and some people were recording their stuff in the booth. So we got to really use it. We got to use it in the real world. A ton of people got to see it. We handed out a ton of business cards and so that was very valuable about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's talking abooth. So they also memo the Tribooth Memo. The Tribooth Memo made his debut. Yes, so the Tribooth Memo was being showed by our friend, the very the very one, the very guy memo Soceta. He was there presenting about he had an accession about audio recording and it was for the Spanish language part of theo Atlanta. Yeah, he covered source Connect on that I saw, because he did. He did. He did a full on demo of source Connect as well as like almost everything you could imagine, you know, from Mikerophone choices, dog choices, all sorts of portable booth solutions, but most important to me really was that he showed off the Tribooth memo, which is a very very portable booth kit. It is the most portable thing that we've ever devised that is still big enough to not only sit inside at your table or desk, but it has extendable legs so you can actually make it standing height. And the most amazing part is it folds down and fits in half of a carry on suitcase, just one half, so if you have one of those cases it's a clamshell and one side. Yeah. Yeah, if you have a clamshell case where half of it is zip shut, it will fit. But you have to take your own. There's no blankets. Yeah, yeah, you've got to you've got to write the you've got to ride housekeeping and steal a few blankets and ship which is. Really almost never a problem. I mean you can almost always clamp. Oh yeah. One of the things that accessories you can get for it, which isn't part of the booth purchase. The booth is just the frame. But this you can get the stage ninja clamp, which looks like a strong spring clamp. I've got one. I've got the one for the cell phone. They're pretty damn good action. Yeah, they're actually really good. It's like a strong a clamp, the kind of thing you used to strengthen your grip, you know. And then it's got this bendy plastic segmented section which kind of looks like the gorilla pod if you've ever seen those tripods that you can bend around. And then in this case, it just looks like probably like a you know, a simple shock mount that you could put a shotgun mic in. It works perfectly with this. And then it also has these little plastic clips that when you throw the blanket over the frame, the plastic clips just keep the blanket from falling off. Yeah, so it's really clever. So without putting you on the spot. Yeah, what's the price comparison to that compared to a full tribe? What do you mean without putting me on the spot? You just put Yeah, I didn't know whether you'd know the prices off the top of your head. I'd fully expect you to go. I don't know. Have a look on the website. It's it is on the website. It is available to buy, and it's five ninety. Nine five ninety nine for the memo US. Yeah. Yeah, the full size original is fifteen hundred. Yeah, so it's a far more cost effective product. If you are in a budget and you want something like this, and you figure, well, I could just use my own blankets, or I already have furniture pads or some kind of other blanket from another DIY booth I made, but now I want to have my own. You know, I really like the way the frame is designed. I think without being rude though too it's the memo is more portable than like a full on try booth too, right, Like you know, as you say, you throw it in a carry on bag and you've got it. Yeah, tr way more way more portable. Try booth isn't carry on, that's for sure. The try booth is not carrying on, and I'm not checkable. I'm not bagging the tribooth either, by any imagination. The try booth is amazing and and for its purpose is brilliant. But if you've got to you've got a you know, plane hop from here to there to there, the memo is going to be heaps easier. To move around and then people about it. You should make a fabric fabric option for the memo, just just so that in case you got the space, you can. Actually what he needs is this, he needs to make some laundry or some clothes that will work as clothes but also work as the coverings. You need to get a very large. Video studio suit. You can do your washing, except except when you're in it, you're naked because all the clothes are on the outside of it. You can hang your washing. You could go and do your washing in the in the laundry and bring it up and hang it out to dry. One. Can you imagine you could just be the very smelly booth, right. You sit down, you get inside, you undress, and you hang your clothes all over the all over the booth. Ye, and you sit in. There and and actually here's the real genius part. First of all, if it's hot out, and if you did your laundry but you don't want to pay for the dryer and you want a better acoustic effect, you just leave them wet. Yeah, exactly, the wet that you know. The ultimate is you just wear the clothes that you wor to the gym that morning. You're good to go. Pass out in there. Yeah. Since this is quickly becoming a video episode that it was never going to bay just show us that photo of you doing the interview with the passport too, because that was really cool. Oh yeah, and what did. You have plugged into that thing? EV? Like an EV six thirty five or something. I did. I had an EV six thirty five, So I just was my rollerboard bag that. I like, sure, what you sure do? My friend? I had a EV six thirty five that I just you know, we all know this microphone because it's unbelievably robust. It can take tremendous amounts of abuse. Here we go, get back. To that screenshot just quickly. Oh my god, behind the s. This is us wasting tremendous amount of time hair micup right. Because we discovered that that function the Yeah, So what I did was I I brought along you know what I thought was a very portable kit, and it really was. I had the passport an at eight seventy five R, which is this mic this gentleman Rob Smith is holding. I had my one dollar aquarium pop screen out on there, and then uh, and then I had a six thirty five too, because why not always carrying EV six thirty five. You never know when you need to never somebody. Or finish hammering in a nail. I was gonna say, yeah, exactly, that is like. The classic reporter's microphone. It is like for the sixties and seventies. Yeah, I mean, what's I I think that might be the only microphone in the world that's tougher than an SM fifty seven. It could be, it could be, but it's it is literally a yard sale find mic. I think I've had it for twenty five maybe thirty years, and it still works great. So, and the body of the mic is so thin it fits right into the socket on your interface. So I plugged it into the MicroPort Pro. I put my Bendy tripod on the bottom and wham, there you go. It was a perfect two person interview rig. Except it's the it's the Powsport vio mm hmm. And then I used my long USBC cable that's actually an optical cable. It doesn't look like an optical but it's technically an optical cable. And then and that no to my phone. I ran it right to my iPhone. So what power power with the power bank didn't need to know. How did the optical cable power? I thought that was a power wire inside it? Oh, it does. It's a forty five dollars cable made by Cable Matters. It's USB optical and it's got USB optical and also the power all in one cable. So it carries the power, which is that's pretty cool for that optical How long is that optical cable? This is a five meter so I in no way assumed it would carry power, right. I only cared that it had data, you know, So I thought I would use my battery pack with it, and I did the first time I set it up. And then when I was taking everything apart and I unplugged the power bank from the comm port, it was still on. And I was like, what the hell? Because you were using the Because you weren't even set to use the comport. You must have been set to use the other port if. Yeah, I expected to power it from a battery pack plugged into the comm's USB port. But you switch. You never flipped the switch to comms, did you. No? You must not have. I must not have, because it just worked. So I didn't even think about it, you know, it didn't. It didn't even occur to me. I just turned on the switch and it turned on, and I was like, off, I go. But anyway, Yeah, it was quite surprising to see that you can run the phone run this right to on iPhone fifteen. It has to have the USB C to be powering the device, but the phones now have the juice to power the device. Android phones have been able to do that for quite some time now. But you know, that was really lightning. Yeah. So when you when you did your levels, you just did your levels from the phone or did you use the mic switch to kind of check levels eight and levels B? Did you No? I just looked at the view meters on the road Capture app. You know, it shows the video on and I shot this whole interview with the selfie camera on the iPhone to make it a lot easier on me, you know, So I just had the screen facing me. It had the two VEW meters on the screen so I could see the levels, and I checked it at first with my headphone, made sure there was a signal there on both mics, and then I took off the headphones. So I have to ask one thing about the setup. The six thirty five being an omni and him being next to you with the second mic, did you get any like little doubling like it's going. To be a lot of spill. Oh yeah, yeah, there's gonna be a fair amount of spill. What I'm gonna do is, I'll take this video. This is kind of a this is a little thing. So I'm figuring out. I'm I'm actually thinking about what's the best post workflow now, right, So now I have a video with audio pan left and right. I could drag it in iMovie, but I movie doesn't have a way to mix the two tracks audio individually. I could drag it into Premiere, but that seems like it's a much heavier program than I normally would use. But I could. I could drag it into Twisted Wave and do the post can I. Can I movie do any audio tweet or au plugets on the tracks? Or do I movie not have that? I mean, he's very stripped down. Of course I could use final cut, but I don't have final cut. But that's also overkill. I could drag you could use you could use Reaper. I could use Reaper if I was like video Yeah, I was really a whiz with Reaper and video editing too. I could do it in there in the end of the day. At the end of the day, it's always gonna end up in descript. That's where I'm going to really do my post. But descript does not have the best audio. It doesn't know what to do when there's an left audio channel and a right audio channel. It doesn't it doesn't have a way to really deal with that correctly. So that's annoying. So I'll probably just mix the audio in another doll like Adobe audition or something, and then just you know, put it, glue it all. They call it Adobe audition, right, no, because it didn't get past the audition. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, that's good enough. That's such a dad joke. Seriously, yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's see what else would be? What else? I mean, you know, you talked to ten people, are going to get a hundred stories. But let's see. The first day was my breakout session, what's called an X session, and I taught my cutting edge or the bleeding edge or of audio recording technology. And it was only a few people, so I was just like, hey, what do you guys want to know? And that's what we did for three years and they were happy. You know, well, that's good value for money for them. Seriously, that's the thing. If I'm going to teach a class, even if it's three people, I want to make sure that they feel like they got there. And give what they want. Yeah, yeah, you know, essentially important to me. So so I have to ask, did you visit the Source Elements booth? I certainly did. Yeah, you're pretty low key. I mean we only had one pop up stand. I think yes, No, no, you you had a full setup and you were doing demos all day and you Robert were available a lot of the time to do remote tests with folks so they could. Hear how it was like the guinea pig yep. And while I had to do a tech support for Alison Packard on for Source three three nine, I was like, hey, uh hey, hey, Vincent, you got a Source three nine license over you're on your Mac. He was sitting at the table across from me, and I was singing at Randy Thomas's booth because she wasn't there, and I was like, hey, can you jump on and do a test with Alison? So he was doing tech support for us while we were sitting there. It was pretty handy. Someone else liked emailed us and said, oh, I need all these questions and we were like, oh, come visit us at the booth, and then I don't know who she was. Vincent was pissed. Actually, she just walked up and went, here's my two laptops, can you set them up? Boom, and then walked away. He told me that Vincent was like, man, she doesn't even have a support contract. Yeah, and they are PC's no worse. Yeah, he was mad. She's like, she was so presumptuous. I saw that, I saw the Oops. Studio Bricks was back, which was quite a shock to me to see them there as sponsors. But they were back. They they really, you know, they really want to make sure people don't forget who they are, that they're the kings of prefab booths. And I would say that they really, they really still are pretty much the king the Cadillac and Mercedes of prefabricated booths. I mean those things done. The Studio Bricks. Yeah, yeah, they upgraded the door handle. It's a much nicer handle. It's it's it was already nice, it's really nice, but the new handles even better. You know. Miguel showed me how it's easier to install. It's fewer parts. It's just better engineered door handle, which I don't know. It doesn't sound like a big deal except to use it all the time. Yeah, the door handles trails that. Yeah, you know, it could be like a tesla. It could be like a tesla. You're not getting out of it exactly. The good thing about studio bricks, though, is if the door handled breaks, you can just take it apart from me inside and and you climb. Out your neighbor. Your neighbor will be like, what the hell was that when you push the roof off and it hits the floor. It could be worse. It could be like the scene in Ace Venturro when he has to get out of the bowl or the rhino. Oh no, yeah, I know you're talking about. Yeah, that's one of the greatest scenes in cinematography. Yeah, that was something. Yeah. So, and then the other thing of interest to me in the expo hall definitely was Full Compass. Full Compass is a pro audio, really an AV dealer. Yeah, and they've always considered themselves a little bit more B to B, which is one of the salesfolks. Sales reps there told me. But he said, last few years they've really been courting the voice actor and doing packages and doing a lot more voice actor centric gear. And this is their third second, I think second year now sponsoring the Atlanta And I told him, I was like, kudos to you guys as being a company, you know, a company like yours putting your money into voiceover. I was really glad to see that. And not only that, they're also very they are very interested in carrying the Passport ViOS too, so they may be the first catalog that has Passport Vio available, which is awesome and cool. And shipping to them will be cheap because they're in Wisconsin, Wiscans and Scanson. Yes, but it's a cool company that they've been around for a long time. I used to deal with them way back, and. I always used to get confused because I always thought like full Compass should actually be the school and Full Sale should be the store. You're right, that's a good one. Yeah, No, it's they were cool. They had a really cool booth set up. They are actually the keynote, the key sponsor, or whatever you call it, the headline sponsor for Making Waves podcast. I don't know if you guys have heard that podcast. I haven't heard another excellently produced podcast and they were there. They had a set up for doing the podcast, and they ported a podcast episode and I got to jump in and I got to plug the Passport there too. I wasn't messing around. When I heard that they were going to do an episode. I was like, when's it going to be? I want to be right, I'm going to be there. Yeah. So I got myself on that show. Baby, not going to change your name for all these interviews that you have to be George the tech Passport video with him. Yeah, yeah, I'll go with that quick to get with them. That's right, George. George is like the guy you like walking down the street with like a well he wishes he had a whole bunch of passports in the suitcase, be like. Knock knock he should. I could think of a tagline so I could always leave home with them. Well, you know, it just felt like I was there, you know, to to talk up Passport as much as really anything else. And that's really kind of where I'm putting a lot on my effort. But it was. It was really an excellent show. You know, for folks who can come to a show like that, Uh. I think you do it once. I think you have to do it once so you know what that kind of a show is like and see if it's for you. I think if you're an introvert, you will not like it at all. It's a very intense, very intense. You're around a lot of people, it's loud, it's just sort of relent unrelenting. If you go, I would recommend staying off campus and not in the building because I think you need to physically leave the building sometimes to decompress. Also, you need to get that you end up in the bar talking about voiceover all all night long. Yeah, you do that anyway, surely people do that. I mean Saturday night, I always at the bar, you know, the bar and restaurant there. It's so busy. There's so many people and the bartenders are so stretched thin that there's people with backpacks with their own booze. We're poorn shots like. They don't care. Yeah yeah cool, because they're making so much money, they're like, yeah whatever, you know, let these guys have their fun. So I'm drinking monkey. From the hotel gig alone. Yeah, it's such a shame. I mean, the Australian unfortunately, the Australian voiceover industry would never sustain something like that, But it would be so cool if we could have something like that here. I just don't think I don't think there'd be any particularly a lot of interest. I think, yeah, yeah, I kind of feel like wherever you hosted it, wherever you hosted it, you would get, Say you hosted it in Melbourne, right, I reckon majority of voiceover artists in Melbourne would turn up, maybe not for a whole weekend, but for a look around, right, But I don't know that you'd get masses of people flying. People wouldn't travel for it, yeah, fly internationally for a view. Atlanta, there were more than one Kiwi there. Really, I saw Toby Ricketts there. Yeah, I mean. Of all places like Atlanta. But I guess I guess so, but I mean keeping But I'm more concerned about it being like too like insulars selling into like you know, like I don't know, like here's a demo, here's this like like selling into the industry, and. You mean like selling to the converted, like people who already know about you, No. Like selling to the to the dreamers. Yeah, yeah, that's what I worry. That's what I worry about that because I've I've always been concerned, Like I always thought, like you know, like Source Source Connect, you get it when you need it. It's going to pay for itself. We know that there is a foil to the Vio Atlanta thing, right, you know there's a bunch there's so you know, wovocon World Voices they're doing you know what they call their un conference which was. Created which was the fav com well. Coon before right, created by Amy Sniveley and she said, listen, you guys take out take I'm not doing it anymore. You guys do it. So the wovocon thing is a complete, totally different angle to producing a conference where there is no salesy things going on. Yeah, nobody's pushing anything. They have a few sponsors and I think Source Elements. Did you guys support them. I'm not sure that we did. We did, like I came by and just to like you did a demo, but not to be like a hard sell, because it was like they invited us more than like hey, let us go there and like push our product kind of thing. So they invited you, but they didn't send you like a sale sheet and say if you want to be on this banner and show up on the website. Yeah, it wasn't liked cell like, like what's his name? Gerald? Was this? Like oh my god, dude, right, like all. The it's a different it's a different way of doing a convention. And wovocon can be produced more much less expensively, mainly because there's not a lot of support. You know, there's no flashy sound system, no lighting. You know, they don't have ten. Roots, smaller it's smaller. Dred people, right, it's like one hundred and something, one hundred and fifty people tops maybe, So there there is different conferences for different kinds of folks out there. So if if the idea of going to the Atlanta is intimidating due to its scale and it seems a little too much, check out wovocon. They do it in a different city every year years and it's going to be in New Orleans this year. And what will come seems more like Voice Talent helping voice talent instead of coaches and even source Elements and whoever is selling stuff too, So it's it's less like because I always thought that's interesting. It's like, you know, here's this thing and like, man, I mean Voice Atlanta is charging the attendees. It's charging that it is a money factory for runs it because everybody gets charged to be there, like the janitor is paying to clean the place up. Yeah. Well, then then you look at the other kind of biggish medium size is Conference of the Year, and that would be so Vast. That's voiceover and that's in December every year. And isn't that an award show. It's sort of in the middle of the two, right, because there's also One Voice, which is in the the UK and the US, right, So there's a lot of these different kinds of conferences, all at different scales. One Voice. One Voice might be kind of like the Goldilocks. It's not. So we we've been doing like one Voice a little bit more, and it seems to I've not been to a one Voice. I know that we've we've. Runs into awards show just like Solva. Well I'm not saying I'm not just like Savas is very different from Solavas, but so Vas is like the Emmys of voiceover in the US, right, same kind of thing, same kind of show. Maybe like the Maybe it's more like the Golden Globes. Apparently it's literally in the same theater as the Golden Globes, right, So it has that very glitz and. Glamour, very showy. It's a very big you know, you have to pay to submit yourself to be nominated. It's a it's a big. It's privately it's also privately owned, I believe. Yeah, it's a nonprofit for privately owned and so it's it's a different kind of spiel, you know. And then they have it. Attached to that's voiceover, which is the conference. But that's a very small show too, and it doesn't have like twelve things happening simultaneously. It has like more of like one show going on at a time. So these all have these different things that they all have this different thing that they do. And I think, you know, if I was going to do something, it would I always enjoy the wovocon model. I love that there's so many because really wovocon is about pros. It's not that it's much more communal. Yeah, they don't turn away new baced actors. There was there's always a few new actors there, but they're overwhelmingly are professional voice actors and they all have something to teach, you know, almost everybody. But they're not there to rope in new people. They're there to support existing people. Trade industry secrets. Yeah, I just can commiserate about the industry. I mean, I'm a wovocon. To be in the conversation. That's how it always works. You got to be in the room where it happens, right, That's how you stay relevant and people go, people go, oh, I've been meaning to call you. I hear that all the time. That's okay, because you're you're you're there and you're giving genuine advice while you're there. You're a member of the community. But you're not They're like, I hope now you'll get me for half the price that you like. It's it's not that And I think even if you did that there, they would frown on it. A different market. I don't think any of them. I don't think any of them are wrong, and I really think, you know, I do not. I don't fault J Michael and his wife Anna for what they're doing because they're doing it well right. So whether you like the way they do it or whether you believe in the model, they're not phoning it in, you know what I mean. It's it's really well produced, it's well run. I'm not. I've not been to a via Atlanta since Gerald. Yeah, it's like it's Gerald go crazy. Harold this thing he tried, but j Michael and Anna have stepped it up big time and it's well run. So I'll leave it at that. You know, it's not for everybody, but it was definitely a good experience and. It's definitely the biggest of all of that. Yeah. Another thing they didn't did new this year was they had cadets, which was means you could sign up and say, I want to help out a newbie, so you would get matched up to any new attendee. So if there was their very first time and it is really overwhelming for them, they would hook you up with somebody else's who's a veteran and they would show you the ropes. So that was really cool. And they all got these cool Star Trek like badges you know that they wore. It was it was cute. They were these cool three D printed badges and stuff. So, so tell me this. An attendee goes there, buys a couple of X sessions, like you get a certain number of sessions, and then you got to buy AC sessions, right. AC Sessions are always extra. Breakouts are always free, and so if you do nothing but breakouts, it's going to be like the It's going to be like a seven hundred dollars something ticket. It includes two lunches, hotel two lunches. If you're local, obviously that's good. But a hotel, yeah, the hotel, the Hilton itself is the most expensive one. I think the other neighboring hotels all have deals with the conference. I rented a house and just. Hooked it up with a few I put the word out there. I was like, Yo, anybody want to stay with me in my house? It's cool. Two people step right up, so we sput the price three ways. I was able to use it as a place to have a gathering. On Sunday night, I had a little meetup, and the meetup was focused on people that couldn't go to View Atlanta. So I got to, you know, see more people that I wouldn't have seen otherwise. So that worked out really well. But if you're attending View Atlanta, I would guess it's a it's like a if you got a plane flight too, you're probably looking at two thousand, eight hundred to two grand I guess yeah, if you say two grand, but you're at least spend an eight hundred buck without even talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Is there better ways to spend your money. Probably, I mean you really have to look at what your budget is, know what you want to spend in advance, be smart about it, and look at what you want to learn. And if what you want to learn is not going to be taught there, don't do it. I mean, if you want the Dave Waltz Truetel thing and you want a three hour class with him, great, some people would rather just book him for a one on one. They think that's more valuable, right, So it's it's everybody's different. Some people. Yeah, let's put this way. If you do not know what you want to focus on, go to Vio Atlanta. It's a total cornucopia of information. If you know what your goals are right now and you want to focus on one genre and really like nail this demo and it's not it may not be the best place to spend your money. Spend the money on coaching and a demo, you know. So. By the way, we gave away a Unicorn prize and the winner was a woman named Christy Hearst. Christy created this thing called building Doors and it's all about getting women doing sports and doing other styles of promo and things that have always been considered you know, male dominated guy. And she won this Unicorn Award this year. One person wins this award every year. And the raft of prizes. I have a video of it. It's like one hundred grade. I have a video of j Michael reading all the sponsors names. It goes on for like eight minutes. He's trying to get through the list. I used to tally it for you. It was over last year was over one hundred thousand prizes. And so the person that wins, Christy, she got so much coaching. Uncle Roy gave her a lifetime lifetime support, lifetime Tech support. How old he's Uncle Roy. I'm heard on cameras saying, well, ain't gonna be that long, which. He's not offended. I mean we're friends, but still, you know, that was pretty When I said that, I was like, I hope nobody had heard me saying that, but I think they did well. I have now. Yeah, and my friend and Genguza won the UH Support or the Service Provider of the Year award, which was pretty cool for her. She's a great person and really knows her stuff. What's what's her what's her service? Uh? She she's a she's a coach and she's a coach and produces demos. And then and then Randy Thomas got the Voice of Greatness Award, which is a play on words vog you know, voice of God of all of her work doing television show. So they gave her own award this year, which is really nice. Her daughter, Rachel, who's really cool. I've worked with Rachel too. She she presented the award for her mom. So that was really really sweet. That was cool. So yeah, a lot of good feelings, a lot of good a lot of good networking. And I just hope we sold out the passports. That's all I can. Yeah, well you sold a few. So so what was the attendance? Was it like seven hundred? That's I think that's usually what it is. It's it's supposed to be hitting the thousand person mark. But wow, I don't know for sure. They're gonna they're gonna outgrow the hotel that they're in. Yeah, Like there is an app, so I guess you could go into the app and look at the attendees list and then count. That's how you would know yourself. Yeah, and of course that would be the people that logged into the app. Of course, but if I go to registrants on the app, these are the people that registered. Wow. Oh okay, wow, So I just rewind for one second for me. If you were saying they getting close to one thousand people? Are you saying and you did you say it's seven hundred dollars for a ticket? Mm hmm. I told you it's a big money printing machine. And that that's just that's just tickets, not alging sponsors or anything else. Right, Well, the sponsors are like the small beans in the whole thing, because the sponsors are I forget how much they are, but there's paywork. And Andrew Sydney. Next year, that's right, go for it. I mean I think what also throughout the year they're they're they're hawking special so some of the people got there for like three hundred bucks maybe. Yeah, I think next year they're doing still they're doing ticket sales for five ninety nine. If you buy it right now, that means if it's five nine next year, it's going to. Be half a million for sure. Yeah, I have no doubt they pulled in at least seven hundred grand. Well that and that's just tickets, Like. It's why over a. Milk because like they do pay, so they pay the people for the X sessions I believe, right, George, So if you do a next session, they split it with you, Like if you pull fifty people in and it's how much is the next session, like one hundred bucks or something. I did think that here there are two fifty apiece and. They got to pay, and they got to pay for advertising, and they got to pay the food. The food very good, pay staff always the food. The food was very good. They've upped the up the any on the food quality. The AV team, they've got a serious four man AV team. What's doing video audio? They have video walls and you know, I mean it's. It's they trying. There's a lot of production. Production values are very high. I mean, I don't know what the rentals costs and everything, but they could be easily spending seventy eight one hundred grand on rentals and all that. So yeah, it's I wonder if they get a piece of all the hotel rooms they still. To and and this is not that you know, not that this is nothing to snis sneeze at. But there's coffee, tea, water, stuff to drink the entire show, like every single morning coffee for everybody. And that's that's nice. Yeah, it's it's something. It's definitely like J. Michael's whole brand is you know, is five stars, Lobsters. Everything's premium. That's the way this show is run. It's premium. It's expensive. Lunch, yeh, lunch. That that that that's that's why I wanted to have a thing that was a side. I think one they had obster mac and cheese. Right, I'm pretty sure. That's why I want to have a sidebar thing that I could just do for a few folks that just you know, can't swing it. And so I was glad to be able to do that. And it was nice to meet a few new people. So I wonder how many Americans would fly to Sydney for a conference. A few, I'm sure. I mean, well, well here's the deal. You you have a conference down there, anybody who wants to go to Sydney and you make it a business trip, well now you write it off. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Also, there's vocation. If you heard a vocation, Yeah, what's that one? That's another one where there's at the conference at a location at a destination. Right right. I think they did one in Mexico, like Concoon or something like that. Jamaican Republic. Maybe. Yeah, I think we should do a conference at a ski. I'm down with that. That's something I have not seen yet. I have not seen a tie in to skiing yet. No, you know what we need to do. You need to We need to have one here. Local roy is not doing it right. We need to have We need to have one here during winter so you two can come down and come come to the footy and have a beer and a pie and experience some real down under hospital. That finds what we need to We should do a video like you know, like a sorry pro audious week. We should do a pro audio suite, you know, all in person, George Days. Yeah, you know, well we'll have another chance. I'm in l A in a couple of a couple of weeks. Here the pro Audio Suite and Austrian audio recorded using Source Connect, edited by Andrew Peaters and mixed by Voodoo. Radio Imaging the pot George the tech. Don't forget to subscribe to the show and joining the conversation on our Facebook group to leave a comment, suggest a topic, or just say drop us a note at our website dot com. No